Quote: Matilda, you are so ignorant and misguided I don't even know where to begin.

Chad, you're such an asshole that you should probably not even try.  Go take your fucking bible off to a dark corner and suck your own dick or something.

Why was myths/religion separated from the scientific method, if myths/religion was at all valid?

Any religious scientist care to answer the OP?

(September 13, 2017 at 10:15 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 13, 2017 at 9:37 am)Mathilda Wrote: Human consciousness is a product of the brain.

Sure, sure.........also the driver is a product of the car.  

This is the stupidest thing I've read all day, and I've read some stupid shit.

(September 13, 2017 at 1:34 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(September 13, 2017 at 10:15 am)Little Rik Wrote: Sure, sure.........also the driver is a product of the car.  

This is the stupidest thing I've read all day, and I've read some stupid shit.

Rik can do this all day, every day.

(September 13, 2017 at 10:32 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 13, 2017 at 10:27 am)Mathilda Wrote: Destroy the car and the driver still exists. Destroy the brain and you destroy consciousness.

If it wasn't so then anesthetic wouldn't work and we wouldn't care about neuro-degenerative diseases or use narcotics.

Wrong again Mat.
Has already been proven that when a brain is destroyed the consciousness live on.
You can't destroy energy and consciousness.
They are the two sides of the same sheet.
NDEs already proved that.  

Near death experience is just that... NEAR death, the brain still exists, show me a POST death experience

(September 13, 2017 at 1:49 am)causal code Wrote: A question just popped in my head, that I think is worth sharing.

I was telling somebody today that horoscopes and astrology make no sense. (And that's why astrology (myths) and astronomy (actual science) were separated way back when - "Evidence: Wikipedia Astronomy and Astrology")

This question goes especially to any religious scientist here.

Question is: If science and religion supposedly didn't oppose each other, then why was science separated from religion?

Science is the study of the natural, physical world. Theology deals with the supernatural/spiritual. They are simply 2 seperate fields, not inherently opposing fields.

(September 13, 2017 at 11:09 am)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Matilda, you are so ignorant and misguided I don't even know where to begin. So I guess if I had to to choose just one example of your idiocy it would be mathematics as a human invention. Are you saying that the value of pi is not an objective fact that is independent of any sentient being's knowledge of it? That strains credulity.

Your credulity perhaps, but yes I am saying that.

Pi is a concept. It does not exist in reality. It cannot because there is no such thing as a perfect circle in existence, so how can pi exist? You cannot have a perfect circle because if you look at what you thought was one at a small enough scale you will find imperfections, even if you drew a circle with pixels of the planck length. If you could go smaller than this, you can't, then you'd be chasing infinity.

But let's look at the value of pi 3.14159 ...

A value that needs to be calculated to infinite precision otherwise it's not actually pi. But let's just take the most significant digit 3.

3 is also a concept, like all other integers. It is humans that are deciding that there can be one of something. I could show you an apple, but it would be you deciding that it's one apple. I could just as easily argue that it's not an apple at all but a small part of a tree or an even smaller part of an ecosystem. This is because nothing in this universe exists in isolation. Everything is part of a larger environment. But it's more convenient to ask for an apple than a small part of a tree so we use labels.

The concept of zero hasn't always existed and zero is considered a number. Like all Maths it was invented because there was a need for it. Like imaginary numbers for example, or Einstein tensors. There are different branches of Mathematics and new Maths is still being invented today. And sometimes arbitrary decisions have needed to be made to get the system to work. For example, what is the value of zero to the power of zero?

Theists talk about logic existing without the presence of humans but they don't say which form of logic. Do they mean first order predicate calculus? Propositional logic? Syllogistic logic? Modal logic? Computational logic?

It may be difficult for theists to understand because they tend to suffer from binary religious thinking, but true and false are also concepts. Not all forms of logic even use these concepts, e.g. fuzzy logic. If something being singular and integer values are only human concepts then there cannot be an absolute true or false value. Show me something that is absolutely true or false and I will point out where human made concepts relying on those values are being used.

The word "Apple"  wouldn't exist were it not for humans. It's part of a greater language. Maths and logic are also languages used to describe things and to reason about them.

(September 13, 2017 at 10:15 am)Little Rik Wrote:

(September 13, 2017 at 9:37 am)Mathilda Wrote: Human consciousness is a product of the brain.

Sure, sure.........also the driver is a product of the car.  

LR, our very own Dunning Kruger poster boy.

All rational sites have one.

(September 13, 2017 at 1:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:

(September 13, 2017 at 1:49 am)causal code Wrote: A question just popped in my head, that I think is worth sharing.

I was telling somebody today that horoscopes and astrology make no sense. (And that's why astrology (myths) and astronomy (actual science) were separated way back when - "Evidence: Wikipedia Astronomy and Astrology")

This question goes especially to any religious scientist here.

Question is: If science and religion supposedly didn't oppose each other, then why was science separated from religion?

Science is the study of the natural, physical world. Theology deals with the supernatural/spiritual. They are simply 2 seperate fields, not inherently opposing fields.

-and the study of what happens in it.  The very moment that the "supernatural" world presents itself in the natural world...as every adherent of every religion insists has happened so very many times...they are no longer separate.

This, assuming, that they're both fields at all, rather than one being the rationalizations for your silly beliefs.

The trouble is they always want it both ways. Natural stuff that seems improbable is evidence. Stuff that is not natural and is un-evidenced is evidence for god. Supernatural un-evidenced stuff is evidence of god. Supernatural is immaterial and therefore evidence for god. Quantum is no classically natural therefore evidence for god. Miracles are apart from nature without proof, but evidence of god. Miracles are a part of nature, therefore evidence of god. Something is not completely understood currently, evidence of god. Something is poorly understood, evidence of god. Lots of people believe, evidence of god. God is a mystery, evidence of god.

Theists jump through hoops, when the god of everything could convince us all in a trice that she exists.

But, as always, it's our fault...

Specks, Motes and Beams my comrades.