Yeah, it's kinda the subtext of the interview, how she took some things for granted.

I still think the "basket of delorables" comment was her biggest blunder, though.

(September 13, 2017 at 3:51 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Yeah, it's kinda the subtext of the interview, how she took some things for granted.

I still think the "basket of delorables" comment was her biggest blunder, though.

But was she wrong?

(September 13, 2017 at 4:04 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote:

(September 13, 2017 at 3:51 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Yeah, it's kinda the subtext of the interview, how she took some things for granted.

I still think the "basket of delorables" comment was her biggest blunder, though.

But was she wrong?

It was wrong campaigning-wise thought true enough otherwise.

(September 13, 2017 at 4:10 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(September 13, 2017 at 4:04 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: But was she wrong?

It was wrong campaigning-wise thought true enough otherwise.

It was a bad political move, sure, but my point is that she just said what the rest of us were thinking in that case. Most people say that's what they want out of their politicians, but I guess those same people don't like it if that politician is a woman and/or if it is something said about them.

(September 13, 2017 at 3:49 pm)Tiberius Wrote:

(September 13, 2017 at 2:06 pm)Minimalist Wrote: We all learned what that counted for in 2000, Divi Tiberio. 

Hillary is a boring policy wonk and 'Murrica does so want to be entertained!

I'm aware it doesn't count in terms of the result, but using it to paint a picture that "America" didn't want a responsible adult is disingenuous. The fact that Trump lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes, and his subsequent approval rating since taking office quickly dropped to below 40%, is evidence to the contrary.

Buyer's remorse and little more.  If numb nuts builds his wall all of his supporters will be chanting his name again.  So far, all he's done is fill his pockets from the public till.

P.S.  The result is all that matters.

It's clear to me that folks who did not feel her characterization was true of themselves nevertheless felt maligned.

So, yes, she was wrong. To emphasize her wrongness, I note she lost the election.


I noted the plethora of Trump placards in my area. Are they all 'deplorables' ? Hell no, I grew up here, I've lived here continuously for almost 25 years and the majority of my neighbors who had Trump signage on their yards are not deplorable. I'm not sure too many of them gave a rat's ass about the characterization, but I was greatly offended at the broad and sweeping stereotyping of people I know personally.

And yet I still voted for her . . . .

(September 13, 2017 at 4:23 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: It's clear to me that folks who did not feel her characterization was true of themselves nevertheless felt maligned.

So, yes, she was wrong.  To emphasize her wrongness, I note she lost the election.

To emphasis her correctness, I note Charlottesville and the alt-right and Neo-Nazis and the KKK and...

(September 13, 2017 at 4:12 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote:

(September 13, 2017 at 4:10 pm)Whateverist Wrote: It was wrong campaigning-wise thought true enough otherwise.

It was a bad political move, sure, but my point is that she just said what the rest of us were thinking in that case. Most people say that's what they want out of their politicians, but I guess those same people don't like it if that politician is a woman and/or if it is something said about them.

Yeah, I'd prefer that she keep her negatives down and her positives up.  You know, get elected.

(September 13, 2017 at 4:27 pm)Whateverist Wrote:

(September 13, 2017 at 4:12 pm)TheBeardedDude Wrote: It was a bad political move, sure, but my point is that she just said what the rest of us were thinking in that case. Most people say that's what they want out of their politicians, but I guess those same people don't like it if that politician is a woman and/or if it is something said about them.

Yeah, I'd prefer that she keep her negatives down and her positives up.  You know, get elected.

I'd prefer FBI directors not release statements that make it seem like she was under a new investigation. You know, stay out of the political sphere as part of the judicial system and not inadvertently sway public opinion and cost someone an election.

I'd prefer conservative pundits, politicians, and blow-hards not spend 3 decades trying character assassination attempt after attempt to discredit a political rival, including (but not limited to) investigation after investigation into "scandals" that were anything but. 

It was a bad political move, probably shouldn't have said it. But that comment didn't cost her the election.

Now, the local Baptist congregations, yeppers, they're all deplorable.


Jesus told me so.