(October 5, 2017 at 5:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Meh, fuck war. I don't see that as anything but human narcissism defaulting to violence before diplomacy.

War is easy, diplomacy is hard.

Indeed!

Apparently everybody is christian in Vegas. I would have never guessed.

(October 5, 2017 at 11:59 pm)c172 Wrote:

And that awesome sky hero sat with folded arms for the past year being all knowing watching that sicko plot and did nothing.

I think when a Star Wars fan dies we need to put statues of Luke Skywalker up.

Of course I am not happy one bit that shit like this happens, but damned, 50 to 60 million times on average per year WORLDWIDE humans die at all ages from everything. If there were a sky hero claiming he could be our cosmic security guard, he sucks at his job.

Again, the real cure isn't these hollow memorials. If we want to see less of this shit, maybe firearms should not be so easy to obtain.

(October 6, 2017 at 10:49 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Years ago I said that America would become a totalitarian country more repressive than any in history and that places like Russia would become a lot freer in comparison.  Events have validated my original comments.

Russia is far from free.

Quote:As H.L. Mencken said, people don't want to be free, they want to be safe.  So they will gladly give up all of their freedoms for the illusion of being safe.  There is no safety on this planet.  We will all experience pain and suffering and death.  

There's no "illusion" about it when you have countries that enact decent gun laws and see gun crime plummet and mass shootings vanish. Turns out making guns harder for people to get / abuse actually does make people safer.

Quote:Maybe we need an incident like the one in the Bible where Samson killed 1,000 men with a donkey's jawbone.  Then the talking heads can bleat 24-7 about banning donkey jawbones.

Except that Samson was a strong warrior which probably helped. Anyone can fire a gun. Hardly anyone could kill 1,000 men with a donkey's jawbone before they got stopped. Guns are fast and portable.

Quote:BTW, slavery is still legal in America and there are millions of slaves.  But no one is talking about abolishing it forever.  So much for being the land of the free.

That's slightly disingenuous. The only acceptable use of the slavery in the Constitution is "as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted". In other words, the government can lock you up for committing a crime.

(October 6, 2017 at 10:49 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: One observation that is common in all of the mass shootings that involves white victims is that the critics want to deprive everyone of their freedoms in a silly ass attempt to make them feel safe.  In addition to renouncing the right to own guns they also want to renounce the right for people to express any opinion that runs counter to their own.  

One man's freedom ends where another man's begins.

My freedom to live outweighs your freedom to wield a device that can easily kill me.
Any form of government that puts your right to use a weapon above my right to live is not one I wish to be a part of. A country with such a government is not one I would gladly call home.
Luckily, I was born and raised in Europe... and still live there!


(The rest of your post was adequately addressed by tibs.)