America was an exercise in early modern democracy. This is ultimately how it ends up?

To me as an outsider (and basically the whole world except America) sees the gun control issue as an unstoppable vicious cycle.

The last person will only feel safe and give up his weapon when the second last person has died.

You can't defend with guns, you can only offer more violence.

(October 6, 2017 at 11:25 pm)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote: You can't defend with guns, you can only offer more violence.

Well, maybe if you kill everyone who's a possible threat, but that's extremely unlikely. 






Bertrand Russell said that war doesn't prove who's right, only who's left. That said, proving who's left certainly has its own merits.

(October 6, 2017 at 11:33 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: Bertrand Russell said that war doesn't prove who's right, only who's left. That said, proving who's left certainly has its own merits.

This is the best Russell quote:

"I should like to say two things. One intellectual and one moral. The intellectual thing I should want to say to them is this: "When you are studying any matter, or considering any philosophy, ask yourself only: What are the facts, and what is the truth that the facts bear out. Never let yourself be diverted, either by what you wish to believe, or by what you think would have beneficent social effects if it were believed; but look only and solely at what are the facts." That is the intellectual thing that I should wish to say. The moral thing I should wish to say to them is very simple; I should say: "Love is wise – Hatred is foolish." In this world, which is getting more and more closely interconnected, we have to learn to tolerate each other. We have to learn to put up with the fact, that some people say things we don't like. We can only live together in that way. But if we are to live together, and not die together, we must learn a kind of charity and a kind of tolerance which is absolutely vital, to the continuation of human life on this planet."

(October 6, 2017 at 9:26 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: He checked in on Thursday. If he used the same couple of pieces of luggage to make several trips, always leaving with and coming back with the same pieces of luggage, he could have easily slipped by casino security.

    If you check into a hotel room, would it not raise an alarm if you keep bringing the same luggage with you multiple times to that same room on the same vist? I'm not sure how their check-in methods work, I'm sure though a place as nice as the Mandalay Bay has regular employee's that would of seen him bringing in the same or possibly different luggage.

(October 7, 2017 at 12:07 am)Sterben Wrote:

(October 6, 2017 at 9:26 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: He checked in on Thursday. If he used the same couple of pieces of luggage to make several trips, always leaving with and coming back with the same pieces of luggage, he could have easily slipped by casino security.

    If you check into a hotel room, would it not raise an alarm if you keep bringing the same luggage with you multiple times to that same room on the same vist? I'm not sure how their check-in methods work, I'm sure though a place as nice as the Mandalay Bay has regular employee's that would of seen him bringing in the same or possibly different luggage.

Don't use the same entrance at the same times. Those guns didn't arrive in crates marked "Murder Weapons R Us". 

As for the employees, it doesn't take long before guests are just things you have to work around to get your job done.

(October 6, 2017 at 11:03 pm)ignoramus Wrote: America was an exercise in early modern democracy. This is ultimately how it ends up?

To me as an outsider (and basically the whole world except America) sees the gun control issue as an unstoppable vicious cycle.

The last person will only feel safe and give up his weapon when the second last person has died.

It isn't because our system cant work, it is because we've had an imbalance of power for 36 years.

The principle of anti trust and anti monopoly do work when enforced. Unfortunately we are being drug back to the same conditions that led to the Great Depression. 

Obama was simply a delay, he was a great president, but couldn't do shit considering the obstruction from the right. On the issue of reducing gun violence, we haven't been able to do anything effective since Reagan and Brady got shot.

Far too many forget that guns are simply another product sold, they get stuck on utopia ideology as if guns were a holy book themselves. FOLLOW THE MONEY, if you want to know where the corruption is. 

Even outside the issue of guns in America, globally speaking, violence is profitable. War requires funding in a global economy and weapons are a global industry. It is a myth that monsters like Stalin and Hitler banned the private sector. Nope, all they did was concentrate the private market to their loyalists. 

Firearm CEOs are concerned with the same thing that any other CEO is concerned with, profits, shareholders and expanding their market. 

Firearm companies hate laws just like the car companies hated Nader telling them their products suck.

None of what the companies market, nor their profit lobby NRA leaders are about ideology or protecting freedom, they are about PROFITS.

Even outside guns, all products get marketed through either vanity or fear.

Vanity, "This is fun"

Fear, "You cant live without this".

Unfortunately most GLOBAL marketing is about profit, not problem solving. The worst part of that is it speeds up the pace of consumption which is great for short term gain, but it causes pollution, increases competition to the point of conflict over resources.

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(October 7, 2017 at 12:39 am)Gawdzilla Sama Wrote:

(October 7, 2017 at 12:07 am)Sterben Wrote:     If you check into a hotel room, would it not raise an alarm if you keep bringing the same luggage with you multiple times to that same room on the same vist? I'm not sure how their check-in methods work, I'm sure though a place as nice as the Mandalay Bay has regular employee's that would of seen him bringing in the same or possibly different luggage.

Don't use the same entrance at the same times. Those guns didn't arrive in crates marked "Murder Weapons R Us". 

As for the employees, it doesn't take long before guests are just things you have to work around to get your job done.

No fucking shit...... 

Same fucking crap with JFK conspiracy nuts.

Oswald, "Damn, you got me, I didn't act alone and all the investigators were lying."

9/11, "Yes 10s of thousands of law agents were all lying and the Jews planted explosives in the towers, and the media faked the planes slamming into the buildings".

If you are bringing in one case at a time, and even using a different entrance each time over a few hours that will not raise red flags. 

I am just waiting for World Nut Daily to claim that Jimmy Hoffa and space aliens were behind the Vegas shooting. 

The laws on certain firearms (and other potentially offensive weapons) are about to get stricter here in the UK. I haven’t quite made up my mind on how I feel about this yet.

Quote:moving two firearms (.50 calibre and certain rapid firing rifles) from the general licensing arrangements to the stricter provisions of section 5 of the Firearms Act 1968

Quote:The Home Office will consult on legislative proposals to restrict the online sale of knives so they cannot be delivered to a private residential address and must instead be collected at a place where age ID can be checked.

Quote:updating the current legislation on the definition of flick knives

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-...ve-weapons

Stricter? I thought 100% of firearms were already illegal here lol.

(October 7, 2017 at 1:37 am)Hammy Wrote: Stricter? I thought 100% of firearms were already illegal here lol.

Nope. It is easy enough to get a license as long as you have a good enough reason, aren’t suffering from mental health problems and don’t have convictions for a violent offence.