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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 5:17 pm
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 5:21 pm
(November 9, 2017 at 5:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I'll ignore the sarcasm, since I am taking the time to answer your questions and have an honest discussion with you.
Generally speaking if a person genuinely and sincerely believes that what they are doing is morally good, I do think a certain level of culpability is lessened.
But I find it impossible to believe that going as far as murder and torture of millions of innocent people and children is sincerely seen as morally good by any sane person. Perhaps...then...god is insane.
Quote:I don't believe it. I think many people will rationalize it and tell themselves it's good, or pretend it's good, but I think deep down we all inherently know that mass killing and torturing innocent people is bad, and it takes either a bad or mentally ill person to do it.
From your lips to god's ears.
I've heard it said, though, that people who say shit like that burn in eternal fire.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 5:40 pm
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 5:48 pm
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 5:58 pm
Quote:But I find it impossible to believe that going as far as murder and torture of millions of innocent people and children is sincerely seen as morally good by any sane person. I don't believe it. I think many people will rationalize it and tell themselves it's good, or pretend it's good, but I think deep down we all inherently know that mass killing and torturing innocent people is bad, and it takes either a bad or mentally ill person to do it
. What you find impossible . Many who do it find very possible.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 6:08 pm
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Not only possible, but well within the remit of grace. As per catechism, to die in mortal sin requires a conscious effort or an absence of sacrement. If Hitler killed and died mistaken or had made confession or was contrite...he's singing with the angels now.
But not the little girl who was raped, or the unborn child of the pagan, perhaps not even the unborn child of the believer who is still stained by the sin of adam..even if they are untouched by personal sin.
Disgusting.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 6:43 pm
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(November 9, 2017 at 5:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But I find it impossible to believe that going as far as murder and torture of millions of innocent people and children is sincerely seen as morally good by any sane person. I don't believe it.
What about insane people? What about people who were sexually or physically abused, or who have brain damage? What if THOSE people, who did not have control over how they arrived at that state, do those things?
Shouldn't God have healed them so they'd have true free will, rather than having their entire life's experience filtered through a distorted lens?
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 6:44 pm
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-what about their victims........
Folks, lol...these people have weighed in. They see the evil, they see the sickness, they see the dereliction...it's just...CAKE!, you know? Don't you want cake as bad as they do? What's wrong with you?
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 6:54 pm
(November 9, 2017 at 6:43 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (November 9, 2017 at 5:17 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: But I find it impossible to believe that going as far as murder and torture of millions of innocent people and children is sincerely seen as morally good by any sane person. I don't believe it.
What about insane people? What about people who were sexually or physically abused, or who have brain damage? What if THOSE people, who did not have control over how they arrived at that state, do those things?
Shouldn't God have healed them so they'd have true free will, rather than having their entire life's experience filtered through a distorted lens?
Insane people can. I said that.
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RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 9, 2017 at 6:55 pm
And what about their followers. Is CL honestly saying that the mass murder complex the Germans put together with the full knowledge of what it was to be used for was solely created by sociopaths . Wow Germany had a lot of insane people. Or more likely people who believe they were doing what was "good " .
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