(November 9, 2017 at 4:54 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(November 9, 2017 at 4:44 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: So what?  Do you have a point, or are you merely trying to be insulting?

Sure - proof is in the pudding. Or, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Basically, I see a lot of fucked up people among the atheists here. I generally don't say anything except with Brian. Over in life sciences there's threads on the first page on social anxiety and Aspergers. Note that I don't post in those. But when one of you comes out and calls theists immature or maladjusted, that opens things up.

...or comparing religion to delusion and psychosis which happens quite a bit.

Exactly, the idea that religion can be meaningfully compared to delusion is absurd.  It's sensus divinatus, not delusion!

When the religious on these boards and in life cease to tell us about their delusions, I'll stop pointing out that theism is delusional.

(November 10, 2017 at 11:28 am)Harry Nevis Wrote: But christians claim a perfect deity is the source for their morality, as well as claiming a relationship with god.  Why DON'T christians agree 100%?

Because those are two separate issues. Knowing that something is is different from knowing what something is.

Theism, itself, is a what...not a that. -That-....would be deism. Magic Bookism..is a -which-.

(November 10, 2017 at 1:55 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(November 9, 2017 at 4:54 pm)alpha male Wrote: Sure - proof is in the pudding. Or, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Basically, I see a lot of fucked up people among the atheists here. I generally don't say anything except with Brian. Over in life sciences there's threads on the first page on social anxiety and Aspergers. Note that I don't post in those. But when one of you comes out and calls theists immature or maladjusted, that opens things up.

...or comparing religion to delusion and psychosis which happens quite a bit.

Inconceivable.... I am told that atheists don't make claims or have beliefs.   So either one or the other is untrue, or those that claim both are deluded or dishonest.

(November 10, 2017 at 2:05 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(November 10, 2017 at 1:55 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: ...or comparing religion to delusion and psychosis which happens quite a bit.

Inconceivable.... I am told that atheists don't make claims or have beliefs.   So either one or the other is untrue, or those that claim both are deluded or dishonest.

We hold positions. And when we make claims, we base it on modern knowledge, not old mythology. 

Sorry our not buying your fantasy bothers you but you don't get to blame us for what we were not around to write or sell. If you want to live in the past, nobody can legally stop you, but don't expect us to buy it because you like it.

(November 10, 2017 at 11:36 am)alpha male Wrote: A person who doesn't grow sufficiently to handle life responsibilities seems more likely to end up with depression, social anxiety, etc.

Depression is a disability just like diabetes. What matters, is how people deal with it. For some it leads them more deeply into their relationship with Christ and is the “hope that is in their heart” that tempers the despair.

(November 10, 2017 at 11:36 am)alpha male Wrote: Sex with a real person is better.

…and better within marriage, too. Unfortunately that isn’t an option for some people. Like depression, it is a matter of how people deal with that…either by turning to Christ’s grace in times of temptation or indulging their lust in perverted desires. As Christians we could do a better job by recognizing the difficulty of such people while still encouraging them to rely on His strength.

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(November 10, 2017 at 12:51 pm)emjay Wrote: As to the second point, CL plays, Kingpin used to play, even Neo had a go recently and seemed to like it... so it is ecumenical.

I only thought it might help build better relationships. It would probably have been some benefit but I thought is was boring.

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(November 10, 2017 at 1:58 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Exactly, the idea that religion can be meaningfully compared to delusion is absurd.  It's sensus divinatus, not delusion!

When the religious on these boards and in life cease to tell us about their delusions, I'll stop pointing out that theism is delusional.

The bigotry is strong in this one.

(November 10, 2017 at 1:55 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(November 9, 2017 at 4:54 pm)alpha male Wrote: Sure - proof is in the pudding. Or, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Basically, I see a lot of fucked up people among the atheists here. I generally don't say anything except with Brian. Over in life sciences there's threads on the first page on social anxiety and Aspergers. Note that I don't post in those. But when one of you comes out and calls theists immature or maladjusted, that opens things up.

...or comparing religion to delusion and psychosis which happens quite a bit.

Well from my perspective it's hard not to see it as a delusion when many... not all but many... of its adherent's display all the hallmarks of delusion in their treatment of their beliefs; how they protect them, maintain them, and argue them. So even if I didn't see it before as a delusion, some of the batshit crazy and special pleading theories I've seen on this site, make me see it now... in some people. But as I said elsewhere, that's not enough to be an argument against god, but it's nonetheless hard to ignore.

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(November 10, 2017 at 2:13 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:

(November 10, 2017 at 12:51 pm)emjay Wrote: As to the second point, CL plays, Kingpin used to play, even Neo had a go recently and seemed to like it... so it is ecumenical.

I only thought it might help build better relationships. It would probably have been some benefit but I thought is was boring.

Well back in the day it did exactly that; it was mainly through that game that I came to know and be friendly with CL, Kingpin, and alpha. Maybe he's right, maybe it has gone downhill since then, but I'd like to think it hasn't; that we can separate our religious beliefs or lack of from the person and just be friends despite very different opinions outside of that. Anyway, I'm sorry you found it boring.

(November 10, 2017 at 2:20 pm)emjay Wrote: Well from my perspective it's hard not to see it as a delusion when many... not all but many... of its adherent's display all the hallmarks of delusion in their treatment of their beliefs;

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-j-ro...11148.html

Quote:Calling religion delusional has become an increasingly popular strategy for its critics. To my ear, there’s more to this than just a benign slight — there’s at least the hint of the pathological. Religion can be delusional, but to think it inherently so is to misunderstand both religion and delusion...

https://www.theguardian.com/science/brai...s-at-least

Quote:Religious beliefs are typically incompatible with scientific evidence and observable reality, but aren’t considered to be delusions. Why not? ...

Because delusions are only called delusions when they deviate from a persons existing belief system or cultural norms. From what we would -expect- that person in that society to see or hear or believe.

It's polite and undeserved deference, nothing more.

If a christian believes that god is talking to him, that's fine™. If a christian believes shiva is talking to him..that's delusional. If a christian and a hindu both start telling us that the trashcan is talking to them...they're both delusional.