Why did god allow people to be born after the fall ?

[Godscreated]

[Fake Messiah]

Hey Godscreated you base your worldview on the Bible and therefore believe that universe and earth were created in 6 days and that sciences like geology, biology, physics and so on are all hoaxes. So do you also believe that Earth is flat as Bible describes it in Genesis?

[possibletarian]

You've gotten lazy or you out of arguments, this is a dodge.

You got me, it is lazy and also a dodge, I can only reply to so many threats of judgement and drivel in a day

Now you're being ridiculous, the Bible was written long before you were born, so it's you that's at odds with the Bible and the God who gave it to us. God hasn't tried to make His desires come fruition, His ultimate will is another thing entirely. Answer me this would you want God to force you to be a part of His Kingdom?

How would the bible being written long before i was born make any difference, so was the Koran, and many religious writings you can't claim any truth on when it was written. If you say god hasn't tried to make his desires come to fruition, and he wants all men to be saved are you now saying he's not really interested in all men being saved, if he is, why not simply reveal himself, he could easily do that without interfering with free will as you put it. ?

His ultimate will must be that many go to hell as well as some saved, otherwise what's the point in his 'ultimate will' if it does not match his desires and wishes? And would I want god to force me into his kingdom, absolutely not but to send many to hell and that be his ultimate goal is also stupid, no i wouldn't want to be with such a puny petty god.

 

Do I seem stupid to you? You wouldn't agree with me if I could prove all that I've written to you.

Oh but i would believe if you could prove it, but simply you cannot or at least so far have not. All you have done is quoted the bible, bible this bible that.

Those who are so closed minded have no reason to accept what truths have been presented to them.

Excellent so prove them, then they will be real truths, rather than purly faith based  truths.

God doesn't require I give proof of anything,

Convenient that isn't it

He asked me to tell others why I believe and I have do so, the rest is on you and God will remind you of this at judgement if you do not change.

There is no god to remind me at judgement. or at least not one you have provided a smidgen of evidence for.

[Abaddon_ire]

You think slavery is moral? Owning others as property is moral? The bible says so. What do you say?

I think involuntary slavery is immoral. The Bible does not say that slavery is moral.

The bible says exactly that involuntary slavery is moral. God even commands it and provides instruction for how it should be performed.

[possibletarian]

Hey Godscreated you base your worldview on the Bible and therefore believe that universe and earth were created in 6 days and that sciences like geology, biology, physics and so on are all hoaxes. So do you also believe that Earth is flat as Bible describes it in Genesis?

It never ceases to amaze me how Christianity in particular has changed on this subject even within my own lifetime.  Many more now accept some kind of intelligent design, or even evolution wholesale and seem to do so without a thought to original sin, what was fact for them yesterday becomes the allegory of today, to the point where it makes the bible ridiculous when viewed as being inspired by a god.

[Harry Nevis]

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Regarding the highlight. Why would god proceed with this experiment when, as you correctly point out, he knew the end result would be a three pronged clusterfuck.
Would you place your hand on an anvil and hit it with a sledge hammer just to find out what would happen? Of course not, but this retard god of yours did exactly that with the Adam and Eve thing.

  Why would you believe the creation to be an experiment, is it because you are repeating something you heard or are you assuming such, either way there is nothing to support a experiment. Such being, you need to address the creation for what it was meant. Your analogy being compared to God and what He did holds no water, it's as dry as old bones. You have failed to add anything of importance to this conversation.

GC

Why do you believe the bible is true? Is it because you are repeating something you heard or are you assuming such, either way there is nothing to support it.

Ironic, huh?

[Astreja]

I think involuntary slavery is immoral. The Bible does not say that slavery is moral.

The bible says exactly that involuntary slavery is moral. God even commands it and provides instruction for how it should be performed.

The word "slavery" implies that it is involuntary.  One common dodge is to equivocate slavery with contracted service.  However, in the Bible these servants are often beaten.  There are also rules regarding how beating a servant to death should or should not be punished, and preventing a servant with a family from gaining freedom if he has a family (he can go, but they have to stay).

Looks like involuntary all the way down.

[possibletarian]

The word "slavery" implies that it is involuntary.  One common dodge is to equivocate slavery with contracted service.  However, in the Bible these servants are often beaten.  There are also rules regarding how beating a servant to death should or should not be punished, and preventing a servant with a family from gaining freedom if he has a family (he can go, but they have to stay).

Looks like involuntary all the way down.

It would have been so easy for a law that outlawed it completely.

[Fake Messiah]

Hey Godscreated you base your worldview on the Bible and therefore believe that universe and earth were created in 6 days and that sciences like geology, biology, physics and so on are all hoaxes. So do you also believe that Earth is flat as Bible describes it in Genesis?

It never ceases to amaze me how Christianity in particular has changed on this subject even within my own lifetime.  Many more now accept some kind of intelligent design, or even evolution wholesale and seem to do so without a thought to original sin, what was fact for them yesterday becomes the allegory of today, to the point where it makes the bible ridiculous when viewed as being inspired by a god.

I just find it strange that GC would not believe that Earth is flat considering that he already thinks that scientists are so wrong and that there is conspiracy of truly epic proportions of people telling us that world and the universe are billions of years old by fabricating evidences and what not, so it would be strange of him not to think that Bible was "right" even on that account. Indeed there are lots of Christians out there and Christians denominations that believe Earth is flat and that round Earth is pagan (read satanic) worldview perpetuated by Jews and Vatican. Because you can believe in anything if you distort scientific facts, lie to yourself and never educate yourself.

This is a description of one of the more popular books on so called zetetic astronomy called "The Greatest Lie on Earth: Proof That Our World Is Not a Moving Globe":

This book reveals the mother of all conspiracies. It sets forth biblical proof and irrefutable evidence that will cause the scales to fall from your eyes and reveal that the world you thought existed is a myth. The most universally accepted scientific belief today is that the earth is a globe, spinning on its axis at a speed of approximately 1,000 miles per hour at the equator, while at the same time it is orbiting the sun at approximately 67,000 miles per hour. All of this is happening as the sun, in turn, is supposed to be hurtling though the Milky Way galaxy at approximately 500,000 miles per hour. The Milky Way galaxy, itself, is alleged to be racing through space at a speed ranging from 300,000 to 1,340,000 miles per hour. What most people are not told is that the purported spinning, orbiting, and speeding through space has never been proven. In fact, every scientific experiment that has ever been performed to determine the motion of the earth has proven that the earth is stationary. Yet, textbooks ignore the scientific proof that contradicts the myth of a spinning and orbiting globe. Christian schools have been hoodwinked into teaching heliocentrism, despite the clear teaching in the bible that the earth is not a sphere and does not move. This book reveals the evil forces behind the heliocentric deception, and why scientists and the Christian churches have gone along with it.

Does this not sound pretty much like GC?

[possibletarian]

It never ceases to amaze me how Christianity in particular has changed on this subject even within my own lifetime.  Many more now accept some kind of intelligent design, or even evolution wholesale and seem to do so without a thought to original sin, what was fact for them yesterday becomes the allegory of today, to the point where it makes the bible ridiculous when viewed as being inspired by a god.

I just find it strange that GC would not believe that Earth is flat considering that he already thinks that scientists are so wrong and that there is conspiracy of truly epic proportions of people telling us that world and the universe are billions of years old by fabricating evidences and what not, so it would be strange of him not to think that Bible was "right" even on that account. Indeed there are lots of Christians out there and Christians denominations that believe Earth is flat and that round Earth is pagan (read satanic) worldview perpetuated by Jews and Vatican. Because you can believe in anything if you distort scientific facts, lie to yourself and never educate yourself.

This is a description of one of the more popular books on so called zetetic astronomy called "The Greatest Lie on Earth: Proof That Our World Is Not a Moving Globe":

This book reveals the mother of all conspiracies. It sets forth biblical proof and irrefutable evidence that will cause the scales to fall from your eyes and reveal that the world you thought existed is a myth. The most universally accepted scientific belief today is that the earth is a globe, spinning on its axis at a speed of approximately 1,000 miles per hour at the equator, while at the same time it is orbiting the sun at approximately 67,000 miles per hour. All of this is happening as the sun, in turn, is supposed to be hurtling though the Milky Way galaxy at approximately 500,000 miles per hour. The Milky Way galaxy, itself, is alleged to be racing through space at a speed ranging from 300,000 to 1,340,000 miles per hour. What most people are not told is that the purported spinning, orbiting, and speeding through space has never been proven. In fact, every scientific experiment that has ever been performed to determine the motion of the earth has proven that the earth is stationary. Yet, textbooks ignore the scientific proof that contradicts the myth of a spinning and orbiting globe. Christian schools have been hoodwinked into teaching heliocentrism, despite the clear teaching in the bible that the earth is not a sphere and does not move. This book reveals the evil forces behind the heliocentric deception, and why scientists and the Christian churches have gone along with it.

Does this not sound pretty much like GC?

I've watched some of the 'Flat Earth' videos on you-tube, they really do amaze me, I might get a what they call a reasoned argument from scripture one day just so I can see how they really think.