(November 15, 2017 at 11:26 pm)Godscreated Wrote:

(November 14, 2017 at 2:51 pm)Godscreated Wrote: Do I seem stupid to you? You wouldn't agree with me if I could prove all that I've written to you.

Abbadon_ire Wrote:Stupid? No. Misled? Yes.

I've been led by the holy God and creator of the universe, you own the other hand have been led by man and show the self righteousness of one who cares more about the self than the One who gave you life.

Way to prove his point.

(November 15, 2017 at 4:44 pm)Succubus Wrote: Drich, that post is even more incoherent than the one you are replying to.
But thanks for letting me know what I was up to that night. I did wonder.

If you like I can break it down as if I am speaking to a 4 yer old.

(November 16, 2017 at 3:21 am)Hammy Wrote:

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(November 15, 2017 at 1:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: I didn't say the Bible was wrong. The only way you get to that is if the Bible says enslaving others against their will is immoral. It does not. Therefore your inference is wrong. 

Human sacrifice is immoral.

And yet the New Testament celebrates it as the most moral thing a single human has ever done.

Jesus wasn't just a human and no one sacrificed him. He paid a price voluntarily. So your point is wrong on multiple counts.

(November 16, 2017 at 10:51 am)SteveII Wrote:

(November 16, 2017 at 3:21 am)Hammy Wrote:

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And yet the New Testament celebrates it as the most moral thing a single human has ever done.

Jesus wasn't just a human and no one sacrificed him. He paid a price voluntarily. So your point is wrong on multiple counts.

He paid a price? What price? According to christians, jebus is not dead at all, he was merely temporarily inconvenienced for a weekend.

(November 15, 2017 at 9:47 pm)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(November 15, 2017 at 1:59 pm)SteveII Wrote: I didn't say the Bible was wrong. The only way you get to that is if the Bible says enslaving others against their will is immoral. It does not. Therefore your inference is wrong. 

Human sacrifice is immoral.

Really? The bible says that enslaving others is perfectly OK and even provides rules for doing so. In fact god commands it.

As for human sacrifice, one need look no further than the daughter of Jepthah. (dead)

Or Lot. Rape my daughters why not.

Incest? All good in the bible.

Rape? Kill the victim.

Genocide? Kill them all, but keep the virgin girls as your sluts.

These are the horrible things in the bible.

These are also the things that the bible claims are "moral".

Forced slavery - God's command makes it moral (Divine Command Theory). Absent such a command, it is immoral. God regulating things like slavery does not make it moral. The only inference you are justified in making it that it was necessary to regulate it. 

Jepthah killed his daughter to keep a vow. Take it up with him. Human sacrifice is immoral.

Rape = immoral

Incest = immoral

There is no genocide in the Bible. As far as killing the enemy completely, God commands = moral. Absent such a command = immoral. 

Listing things in the Bible does not make them moral. God regulating things like slavery does not make it moral.

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(November 16, 2017 at 10:56 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:

(November 16, 2017 at 10:51 am)SteveII Wrote: Jesus wasn't just a human and no one sacrificed him. He paid a price voluntarily. So your point is wrong on multiple counts.

He paid a price? What price? According to christians, jebus is not dead at all, he was merely temporarily inconvenienced for a weekend.

You use the word "Jebus" again, you will never get another response from me. Not because I am offended or think God needs me to defend him, but because you lack character and I don't discuss things with people who lack character.

"Jebus" instead of "Jesus", is about as disrespectful as, "Santie" instead of "Santa", lol.

(November 16, 2017 at 11:07 am)SteveII Wrote: Forced slavery - God's command makes it moral (Divine Command Theory). Absent such a command, it is immoral. God regulating things like slavery does not make it moral. The only inference you are justified in making it that it was necessary to regulate it. 

Wrong. Or do you really believe that the only thing stopping you from becoming a murdering rapist is god and the bible? That you would totally go on a rampaging killing spree except for god?

(November 16, 2017 at 11:07 am)SteveII Wrote: Jepthah killed his daughter to keep a vow. Take it up with him. Human sacrifice is immoral.

Did god accept the sacrifice or reject it?

(November 16, 2017 at 11:07 am)SteveII Wrote: Rape = immoral

So Lot was righteous when he offered up his daughters to be raped?

(November 16, 2017 at 11:07 am)SteveII Wrote: Incest = immoral

How many people survived "ye Fludde" and how did they procreate?

(November 16, 2017 at 11:07 am)SteveII Wrote: There is no genocide in the Bible. As far as killing the enemy completely, God commands = moral. Absent such a command = immoral. 

Yes there is, check out the Amalekites and god's instructions about them.
Or how about Deu 2:33-35

Quote:2:33 And the LORD our God delivered him before us; and we smote him, and his sons, and all his people.
2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:
2:35 Only the cattle we took for a prey unto ourselves, and the spoil of the cities which we took.

Want to pretend that is not genocide? Men, women and children?

(November 16, 2017 at 11:07 am)SteveII Wrote: Listing things in the Bible does not make them moral. God regulating things like slavery does not make it moral.

Then god should have made a commandment to forbid it. Or was god unable to do so and had to settle with such bovine commands that it is perfectly acceptable to beat your slave almost to death so long as the slave survives for two days post beating. If the slave dies on the third day then fukkit. A loving god, right?

(November 16, 2017 at 11:07 am)SteveII Wrote: You use the word "Jebus" again, you will never get another response from me. Not because I am offended or think God needs me to defend him, but because you lack character and I don't discuss things with people who lack character.

"Jebus"

Why are you so very, very afraid of words? What scares you so?

(November 16, 2017 at 11:21 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: "Jebus" instead of "Jesus", is about as disrespectful as, "Santie" instead of "Santa", lol.

Then why bother with Jebus? Can't have it both ways. Personally I don't bother with abaddon due to the use of jebus. Since there's few theists here relative to atheists, we can be choosy in whom we talk to.

(November 16, 2017 at 11:07 am)SteveII Wrote: You use the word "Jebus" again, you will never get another response from me. Not because I am offended or think God needs me to defend him, but because you lack character and I don't discuss things with people who lack character.

It's cute to see you attack someone else's character in the very same post in which you dismiss atrocities as 'moral' because of divine command theory -- the ultimate refuge of scoundrels.

(November 16, 2017 at 11:21 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: "Jebus" instead of "Jesus", is about as disrespectful as, "Santie" instead of "Santa", lol.

You logic is as sharp as ever. "Jebus" can ONLY be construed as a mocking term and repeated use can ONLY inform us about someone's character. How does using "Santie" mirror these concepts?