I never said that people should go back in the past where unwashed food was normal.
That is not possile these days where hydroponic vegies are becoming the norm and very few people have a garden to grow their own food.
All I said is that as far as you eat unwashed fruits and vegetables you do not need b12.
In this way i did destroyed your claim that vegetarians need b12.
After that you pop up with all sort of BS to telling me that I was wrong.
Failed attemp yog, you are the wrong not me.
As far as the vegetarians in India that for countless of generation don t eat meat yet they are ok you presented a study that these people
lack in many vitamins.
The day that you will present me a study that that lack of vitamins is not due to lack of food, heavy pollution that these days affect all India, fast modern life, and other unnatural causes then I will agree with you.

If you eat "unwashed" fruits and veggies, you'll need a coroner.  There's a reason we (as in, the producer..nobody trusts the likes of you not to kill yourself) wash them..because the b12 that used to come from them came from feces.  Frankly, we don't even use feces anymore. So you wont be getting that from unwashed vegies anytime soon, thank god.

You are literally talking about lapping up shit, Rik.

(December 3, 2017 at 11:34 pm)Little Rik Wrote: All I said is that as far as you eat unwashed fruits and vegetables you do not need b12.  

And all I did was show that you were wrong.

(December 3, 2017 at 11:34 pm)Little Rik Wrote: In this way i did destroyed your claim that vegetarians need b12.  
After that you pop up with all sort of BS to telling me that I was wrong.

Yeah, all that BS that showed that you were wrong.  If you ignore all the things that showed that you were wrong, then you were right.
 

How dishonest can you be yog?
Your initial link was saying that b12 can only come from animal product.
I don t eat meat yet I got enough b12 and so million of pure vegetarians in India.
After this you make a Uturn by saying that veg. in India are lacto vegetarian so they can get some b12 from there.
After this you present one more BS study in which show a lack of b12 in so many veg. in India.
Once again I did show you that this study did not take in consideration the real factors why that is the case.
Now instead of admitting your failing you engage in more BS.
When you will ever grow up yog?

(December 5, 2017 at 12:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: How dishonest can you be yog?  
Your initial link was saying that b12 can only come from animal product.  

Something which I've shown is generally true, regardless of any special conditions that might exist in India.

(December 5, 2017 at 12:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: I don t eat meat yet I got enough b12 and so million of pure vegetarians in India.

This you claim, despite evidence to the contrary. Who is being dishonest?
 

(December 5, 2017 at 12:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: After this you make a Uturn by saying that veg. in India are lacto vegetarian so they can get some b12 from there.  
After this you present one more BS study in which show a lack of b12 in so many veg. in India.  

A point which you dishonestly deny above.

(December 5, 2017 at 12:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: Once again I did show you that this study did not take in consideration the real factors why that is the case.

You pulled some shit from your ass that you provided no evidence for. I am not impressed.
 

(December 5, 2017 at 12:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: Now instead of admitting your failing you engage in more BS.

My point that getting sufficient b12 from an exclusively vegetarian diet in the majority of the world is unrealistic remains untouched by your bullshit denial of evidence and bare ass assertions. The simple fact is even if the majority of the world could eat unwashed veggies, the majority wouldn't contain the right bacteria and so they'd be left with the necessity of supplementing their b12 despite eating unwashed veggies.

I don't know whether you have sufficient b12 or not, and I doubt you do either. As noted, you live in Australia, not India. Do you need me to draw you a map?

You say one thing, and when it's shown to be flawed, you just flit to some other bullshit claim, never providing evidence for any of it. You're nothing but a charlatan.

OP, it's a moral necessity, methinks. I don't know if it should be seen as immoral or not. When I think about it philosophically, it seems like there may be something immoral about killing animals for food. But when I'm fucking starving, boy do I not give a fuck. Gimme me my animalistic protein!

Rik lives in Australia? Better keep an eye out for him ... to avoid at all costs.

(December 5, 2017 at 6:43 am)Grandizer Wrote: Rik lives in Australia? Better keep an eye out for him ... to avoid at all costs.

Just look for someone with glazed eyes and slobber down his chin.

(November 29, 2017 at 4:47 am)Alexmahone Wrote: I'm an atheist and a non-vegetarian but I can clearly see that raising and slaughtering animals for food is immoral. This is partly because of the appalling conditions under which most of these animals are raised and the fact that we are killing them for our benefit.

Do religious folks agree? If not, how do they ethically defend non-vegetarianism?

No not immoral..

(December 5, 2017 at 1:04 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(December 5, 2017 at 12:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: How dishonest can you be yog?  
Your initial link was saying that b12 can only come from animal product.  

Something which I've shown is generally true, regardless of any special conditions that might exist in India.

(December 5, 2017 at 12:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: I don t eat meat yet I got enough b12 and so million of pure vegetarians in India.

This you claim, despite evidence to the contrary. Who is being dishonest?
 

(December 5, 2017 at 12:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: After this you make a Uturn by saying that veg. in India are lacto vegetarian so they can get some b12 from there.  
After this you present one more BS study in which show a lack of b12 in so many veg. in India.  

A point which you dishonestly deny above.

(December 5, 2017 at 12:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: Once again I did show you that this study did not take in consideration the real factors why that is the case.

You pulled some shit from your ass that you provided no evidence for. I am not impressed.
 

(December 5, 2017 at 12:13 am)Little Rik Wrote: Now instead of admitting your failing you engage in more BS.

My point that getting sufficient b12 from an exclusively vegetarian diet in the majority of the world is unrealistic remains untouched by your bullshit denial of evidence and bare ass assertions. The simple fact is even if the majority of the world could eat unwashed veggies, the majority wouldn't contain the right bacteria and so they'd be left with the necessity of supplementing their b12 despite eating unwashed veggies.

I don't know whether you have sufficient b12 or not, and I doubt you do either. As noted, you live in Australia, not India. Do you need me to draw you a map?

You say one thing, and when it's shown to be flawed, you just flit to some other bullshit claim, never providing evidence for any of it. You're nothing but a charlatan.

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Provide evidence?
Sure yog, now is your turn to do so by showing that b12 can only come from animal souces as you claimed.

On my part I already show you that lacto-vegetarians get the b12 without having to eat meat.
Even if you don’t believe me that I can get it from unwashed vegies the Indian vegetarians are the living evidence.

On your part still 0 evidence.
Get real evidence or get lost.