God exists because The Joneses say so?

God exists irrefutably because our perception of reality has severe limitations (due to our blind hotch potch evolutionary path)
Actually, I'm amazed that we have the capacity to even think of half the shit we come up with ... Anyway, some good, some bad...

And since perception is reality, abominable concepts like an overseeing cosmic dictator arise... Quite natural and expected really.....

(December 11, 2017 at 5:53 pm)TheoneandonlytrueGod Wrote: As an exercise in futility use one or more of the following headings to prove the existence of God.

Do not ask me to define God, I won't do it; use whatever definition you wish.

Empirical
Rational
Physical
Logical
Nonsense
Telelogical
Oncological
Theoretical
Fictional
Surrealist

What exactly do you mean by "prove"? It seems there are different kinds of proof.

• Scientific proof
  
• Historical proof
  
• Logical proofs (both deductive and inductive)
  
• Proof resulting from personal experience
  

There also also different thresholds of proof:

• Possible
  
• More likely than not (preponderance of the evidence)
  
• Beyond reasonable doubt
  
• Absolute certainty
  

These lists result in 16 different combinations alone (and I'm sure I missed some).

In my experience, a discussion like the one you are intending is a long series of shifting the goal post until you arrive at demanding something akin to absolute certainty resulting from scientific proof for a specific belief. The problem is that this is not the standard necessary for a rational belief. 

Another point, atheist constantly miss the fact that religious belief is due to a cumulative set of reasons to believe--all with their own kind/threshold of proof needed for that particular individual. So, to simply demand "proof" is insufficient. What kind, what threshold, single issue or cumulative, and to what end?

(December 12, 2017 at 1:26 pm)SteveII Wrote: [quote='TheoneandonlytrueGod' pid='1671603' dateline='1513029181']
Another point, atheist constantly miss the fact that religious belief is due to a cumulative set of reasons to believe--all with their own kind/threshold of proof needed for that particular individual. So, to simply demand "proof" is insufficient. What kind, what threshold, single issue or cumulative, and to what end?

Bold mine. That is just about saying its rather subjective isn't it.

I speak for myself, I don't care about your god or your belief in it. As long as your religion doesn't inform your decisions voting against people's rights. As to the rest, my whole family is religious. Sure, I butt my head with them, amicably, as none are fanatics.

(December 11, 2017 at 5:53 pm)TheoneandonlytrueGod Wrote: Do not ask me to define God, I won't do it; use whatever definition you wish.

Thanks for proving already that you can't prove God.

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(December 11, 2017 at 11:11 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: The bible says so.

Checkmate, atheists!

Wait... what's the topic again?

(December 12, 2017 at 1:35 pm)LastPoet Wrote:

(December 12, 2017 at 1:26 pm)SteveII Wrote: [quote='TheoneandonlytrueGod' pid='1671603' dateline='1513029181']
Another point, atheist constantly miss the fact that religious belief is due to a cumulative set of reasons to believe--all with their own kind/threshold of proof needed for that particular individual. So, to simply demand "proof" is insufficient. What kind, what threshold, single issue or cumulative, and to what end?

Bold mine. That is just about saying its rather subjective isn't it.

I speak for myself, I don't care about your god or your belief in it. As long as your religion doesn't inform your decisions voting against people's rights. As to the rest, my whole family is religious. Sure, I butt my head with them, amicably, as none are fanatics.

I'll vote however I want for any damn reason I want, thank you very much.

(December 11, 2017 at 6:33 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Duh fuck?

Yeah, silly isn't it?

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(December 12, 2017 at 12:26 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Deleted

OK, you got me; what does "deleted" mean?  

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(December 12, 2017 at 12:32 am)Dnte Wrote: What about Emotional?

God exists because he makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.  

Works for me.

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(December 12, 2017 at 1:26 pm)SteveII Wrote: What exactly do you mean by "prove"? It seems there are different kinds of proof.

• Scientific proof
  
• Historical proof
  
• Logical proofs (both deductive and inductive)
  
• Proof resulting from personal experience
  

There also also different thresholds of proof:

• Possible
  
• More likely than not (preponderance of the evidence)
  
• Beyond reasonable doubt
  
• Absolute certainty
  

These lists result in 16 different combinations alone (and I'm sure I missed some).

All of the above.

Here's your God proof:

(December 13, 2017 at 10:11 am)TheoneandonlytrueGod Wrote:

(December 11, 2017 at 6:33 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Duh fuck?

Yeah, silly isn't it?

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(December 12, 2017 at 12:26 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Deleted

OK, you got me; what does "deleted" mean?  

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(December 12, 2017 at 12:32 am)Dnte Wrote: What about Emotional?

God exists because he makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.  

Works for me.

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(December 12, 2017 at 1:26 pm)SteveII Wrote: What exactly do you mean by "prove"? It seems there are different kinds of proof.

• Scientific proof
  
• Historical proof
  
• Logical proofs (both deductive and inductive)
  
• Proof resulting from personal experience
  

There also also different thresholds of proof:

• Possible
  
• More likely than not (preponderance of the evidence)
  
• Beyond reasonable doubt
  
• Absolute certainty
  

These lists result in 16 different combinations alone (and I'm sure I missed some).

All of the above.

I asked who LR was But then realized it was little rick and edited my post to delete my question.

why prove that God exists?
if someone believes why he needs proof ...?
if someone doesn't believe all the more why he needs proof..?
because faith according to the dictionary is nothing more than ...

Quote:Believe comes from old German words meaning to have trust. Belief doesn’t require proof, just acceptance. If you’re on a jury and the prosecution and defense present two different versions of what happened, you have to decide which side you believe. To believe can also mean having confidence. If you believe in me, it doesn’t mean that you think I’m real (unless I’m a ghost). It means you think I can do what I set out to do.

So if you believe something, you think it's true..if you're easily duped you can believe your little sister when she says a thief broke into a house and ate all your sweets..   


Really.... no one needs proof