(December 24, 2017 at 10:18 am)A Theist Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 9:21 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Then perhaps both sides are in the wrong.

"I am pro life. That means that I’m also pro social justice.

That means that I am not only for the dignity of the human being from the moment of conception, but also for the dignity of the human being until the natural end of life. For life does not end with birth. A person who is truly pro life is pro all life, pro every stage of life, pro every stage of life for every person. For all human life is sacred, because it is created by God.

That means that I support anything that helps a person live a full, healthy and satisfying life, in every part of the world. So I am for care for the poor, for a living wage, for affordable health care, for adequate housing, for a humane work environment, for equal pay for women, for generous child care, for the support of the aged and the infirm.

That means I support caring for the marginalized among us: the refugee, the immigrant, the displaced person, the homeless, the unemployed, the person with disabilities, the single mother, women who are abused, minorities of every kind who are persecuted, and all those who feel left out, mocked, lonely, ignored or frightened.

That means that I am against torture, because it is an affront to human dignity. I am against the death penalty, the most serious affront to an adult life. I am against abuse and mistreatment in prisons. I am against war as a way to solve problems.

That means I respect the lives of all creatures, and am therefore for the care of the world in which we live, for the environment in the broadest sense.

That means I am pro peace, pro justice and pro reconciliation.

The longer I am a Jesuit, the longer I am a priest, the longer I live, and the more I pray and listen and observe, the more convinced I am of the sanctity and beauty of life.

So, yes, I am pro life. Pro all life. I hope you are too."

-Father James Martin

I can't further participate in this thread.

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Tell yourself that's not how a 20 week baby is aborted, if it makes you feel better about supporting it. I went to nursing school. That's how it's done.

The unborn at 15 - 20 weeks in the womb...what mothers are to expect at this term, half way through her pregnancy




Between 21 - 27 weeks. Third Trimester




An unborn dismembered by abortion at 21 weeks

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Yea and? Shock pictures don't work on the rational.

TAKE your appeal to emotion and stick it.

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@A THEIST

We don't need a lecture from someone who supports a dangerous jackass who has no concept of mutual destruction when it comes to use of nukes.

(December 24, 2017 at 10:23 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 10:18 am)A Theist Wrote: The unborn at 15 - 20 weeks in the womb...what mothers are to expect at this term, half way through her pregnancy




Between 21 - 27 weeks. Third Trimester




An unborn dismembered by abortion at 21 weeks

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Yea and? Shock pictures don't work on the rational.

TAKE your appeal to emotion and stick it.

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@A THEIST

We don't need a lecture from someone who supports a dangerous jackass who has no concept of mutual destruction when it comes to use of nukes.

Who the fuck ever said you were rational?! You retarded piece of shit!

Loves to post garbage like this, but would cry foul if firearm SAFETY advocates posted the crime scene photos of the blown out brains and guts of the GRADE SCHOOL KIDS of Newtown.

This is not proof of conscience only the capacity to respond to stimuli . By that logic bacteria are conscience .

Well , this is what happens when people can't have a healty conversation

(December 24, 2017 at 10:34 am)Brian37 Wrote: Loves to post garbage like this,

In response to your retarded shit posts.

(December 24, 2017 at 10:05 am)Brian37 Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 9:21 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Then perhaps both sides are in the wrong.

"I am pro life. That means that I’m also pro social justice.

That means that I am not only for the dignity of the human being from the moment of conception, but also for the dignity of the human being until the natural end of life. For life does not end with birth. A person who is truly pro life is pro all life, pro every stage of life, pro every stage of life for every person. For all human life is sacred, because it is created by God.

That means that I support anything that helps a person live a full, healthy and satisfying life, in every part of the world. So I am for care for the poor, for a living wage, for affordable health care, for adequate housing, for a humane work environment, for equal pay for women, for generous child care, for the support of the aged and the infirm.

That means I support caring for the marginalized among us: the refugee, the immigrant, the displaced person, the homeless, the unemployed, the person with disabilities, the single mother, women who are abused, minorities of every kind who are persecuted, and all those who feel left out, mocked, lonely, ignored or frightened.

That means that I am against torture, because it is an affront to human dignity. I am against the death penalty, the most serious affront to an adult life. I am against abuse and mistreatment in prisons. I am against war as a way to solve problems.

That means I respect the lives of all creatures, and am therefore for the care of the world in which we live, for the environment in the broadest sense.

That means I am pro peace, pro justice and pro reconciliation.

The longer I am a Jesuit, the longer I am a priest, the longer I live, and the more I pray and listen and observe, the more convinced I am of the sanctity and beauty of life.

So, yes, I am pro life. Pro all life. I hope you are too."

-Father James Martin

I can't further participate in this thread.

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Tell yourself that's not how a 20 week baby is aborted, if it makes you feel better about supporting it. I went to nursing school. That's how it's done.

CL, I AM PRO mind your own business. I am pro QUALITY of life after birth. That means in order to effectively take care of kids so they don't end up in unstable conditions, THE CLIMATE of society as a WHOLE allows parents to be home to monitor what their children do. Outside that, it is CRUEL to females especially if their lives are at risk, to demand they give birth.

I gave you a practical way of reducing abortions. Banning them will only put more lives at risk. 

The far right are not trying to ban abortions out of any compassionate reason. It is SOLELY a bullshit religion excuse to control bodies they don't own the same way Muslims make women dress in tents. 

NOBODY on our side is throwing a party when females get to the point of considering one. I think you know me well enough over the years you have known me to know I am not a monster. I AM NOT your enemy and you know that. 


THE BEST WAY to REDUCE, and that is all you can do in reality, the best way to reduce abortions is to empower females and families economically and education wise. But you will NOT get rid if it PERIOD. Let the doctor and female decide outside that.

We help them. We counsel them, take care of them during their pregnancies, help them with the adoption process if they choose to go that route, and support them and their baby after birth too.

Those are causes worth supporting. We don't solve our problems by killing innocent humans.

(December 24, 2017 at 10:30 am)A Theist Wrote:

(December 24, 2017 at 10:23 am)Brian37 Wrote: Yea and? Shock pictures don't work on the rational.

TAKE your appeal to emotion and stick it.

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@A THEIST

We don't need a lecture from someone who supports a dangerous jackass who has no concept of mutual destruction when it comes to use of nukes.

Who the fuck ever said you were rational?! You retarded piece of shit!

I am sick of your religion sticking its nose where it does not belong. GET A CLUE BUTWIPE, if it bothers you what Islam does in the east, then don't you dare slur me for merely being practical. You are the moron seeking a utopia that will never exist and not based on anything remotely pragmatic, but based on pure emotion.

NOW get this through your narrow minded scull.

WE would LOVE every baby healthy and wanted, but that is not the world we live in.

I am sorry it bothers you I don't chalk reality up to a sky wizard, but that is your baggage, not mine. 

I am not evil just because you don't like me.  You are only 1 human on OUR planet of 7 billion. AND you are also NOT the only religion or political party in America. YOU DO NOT OWN ME and I don't owe you my submission. NOR DO WOMEN who don't agree with you.

I think " Would you have liked to be aborted ?" is kind of irrelevant. I'm me 37 years after the day I was born. Not a fetus. I turned out halfway decent, but in the year 1980 no one had any way to know that would be the result. At 13 weeks I couldn't think a conscious thought. It would have been entirely possible for me to turn out to be a dangerous criminal as far as anyone could predict.

A fetus in the womb is not the same thing as your 50 year old uncle. It's not equivalent. This kind of thinking comes from the unjustified belief that there's a bearded guy in space planning everything that knows exactly what will happen. If he's there and I'm %99.99 sure he isn't, he has no sense of justice or fairness, as suffering is not close to being measured out according to people's deeds, and he's not good at planning things.

Quote:We help them. We we counsel them, take care of them during their pregnancies, help them with the adoption process if they choose to go that route, and support them and their baby after birth too. 

Those are causes worth supporting. We don't solve our problems by killing innocent humans.

We also don't solve the problem by imposing draconian laws that won't work . And will only make things worst .Violating peoples bodies is not an answer. And taking away their choice is no answer either .

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Quote:Who the fuck ever said you were rational?! You retarded piece of shit!

You rational Ahole . That's fucking the best joke i have heard all day.