(January 6, 2018 at 4:23 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Don't you know that the fallen nature is enmity with God and will try to protect itself; aka, wrapping the nature with a veneer of intellectualism or other means since it knows that it's held accountable by the moral ruler of the universe?

"All you smert assholes are gonna go to HELL!"

Yes, we know, we know..we've heard the stories.

(January 7, 2018 at 10:21 am)Khemikal Wrote:

(January 6, 2018 at 4:23 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Don't you know that the fallen nature is enmity with God and will try to protect itself; aka, wrapping the nature with a veneer of intellectualism or other means since it knows that it's held accountable by the moral ruler of the universe?

"All you smert assholes are gonna go to HELL!"

Yes, we know, we know..we've heard the stories.

He could have been pushing for the global white supremacy if he wasn't in religion. 

(November 21, 2017 at 3:48 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Eternal punishment for temporary crimes and eternal heaven for temporary work? It sounds unnatural. And yet people preach it like it's perfect God's word.

It seems odd to me, that you think there should be a correlation in the time between one and the other. That judges should base sentences on the amount of time a crime took. Is this what you are saying?

(January 7, 2018 at 2:53 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(November 21, 2017 at 3:48 pm)purplepurpose Wrote: Eternal punishment for temporary crimes and eternal heaven for temporary work? It sounds unnatural. And yet people preach it like it's perfect God's word.

It seems odd to me, that you think there should be a correlation in the time between one and the other.  That judges should base sentences on the amount of time a crime took.  Is this what you are saying?

Temporary activity can get temporary results.

(January 7, 2018 at 2:56 pm)purplepurpose Wrote:

(January 7, 2018 at 2:53 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: It seems odd to me, that you think there should be a correlation in the time between one and the other.  That judges should base sentences on the amount of time a crime took.  Is this what you are saying?

Temporary activity can get temporary results. Eternal results sounds retarded.

If it sounds or feels wrong, that may be reason for further examination, but I don't think that it should forego reason. 

In the first example, you seemed to be making a correlation between duration of the action and the duration of the results.  I don't think this follows.  I could spend weeks or months , expending considerable time and effort, in order to embezzle $50 from my company.  And yet someone could be shot and killed in a fraction of a second.  Do you think that it makes sense to have a correlation between the duration of punishment here (The long duration of stealing $50 dollars would result in a longer punishment than the relatively shorter duration of killing a person?)

This iteration is a little simpler; however I don't think that it follows either.  From my experience, a large majority of atheists believe that there is an unending nothingness when one dies. (I would point out that this is an assumption by the way)  But yet again, in the example above of a person being shot and killed in a very short period of time, results in an eternal consequence. 

So while it may sound to you to be wrong, I don't think that this has any reason backing it, and when you follow it's principles, leads to even more preposterous conclusions.
I don't see any reason why this should be a concern.

(January 7, 2018 at 5:53 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote:

(January 6, 2018 at 4:23 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Don't you know that the fallen nature is enmity with God and will try to protect itself; aka, wrapping the nature with a veneer of intellectualism or other means since it knows that it's held accountable by the moral ruler of the universe?

Is THE moral ruler of The universe also iTS creator, all powerful and all knowing?

Immense power, would be all powerful if not limited by his (God's) nature, and that's a good thing. , The idea of human uniqueness is grounded in the biblical truth that people are made in the image of God (Imago Dei),; this is the reason people feel a moral pull to do what is right and good.