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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 17, 2018 at 2:08 pm
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Note that were gently drifting to calling her or whomever wrote the story a fibber..now, anyone? Before it didn't sound like an assualt. Now it sounds like maybe the assaulty elements were sensationalized?
-and nobodies victim blaming or perp defending, in the least.
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 17, 2018 at 2:08 pm
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(January 17, 2018 at 1:56 pm)Shell B Wrote: Khem, I read the whole thing. Note: she remains naked when she goes to the couch with him, which makes me think he could have thought she was uncomfortable with the specific acts they were performing, not with sex altogether, because you could reasonably assume she would get dressed if she was uncomfortable. The second time, he suggests they put their clothes on, which is how we know she was still naked the first time.
Yeah, she said she was confused because she thought that after telling him she didn’t think she was going to have intercourse with him, that would be the end of the sexual encounter. But she remained naked with him, so is it so unreasonable to think that’s perhaps he didn’t understand that she wanted the sexual encounter to be over all together? Maybe he thought she was comfortable doing more of what they had already done. Again...she didn’t say. She wan’t clear.
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 17, 2018 at 2:09 pm
(January 17, 2018 at 1:58 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: He clearly followed her around the house even as she was clearly trying to impose distance between herself and him.
It may not have been a footrace, but it sure sounds like a chase to me.
I mean, it's his house. He's a minor celebrity. Even if he wasn't, I wouldn't let some person I'd only met twice just wander around my house. The fact that this whole thing apparently went on for 30 minutes just seems odd. She was walking around his house for 30 minutes while he followed? Nothing was said during that time? How many times did she move? Are we talking about her moving back and forth between two spots (i.e. couch and kitchen) or was she going from room to room?
All of those details (which are lacking from her description) are important to the context, because the way she describes it, I just can't even imagine 30 minutes of that without a rational person turning around and saying something.
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 17, 2018 at 2:10 pm
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(January 17, 2018 at 2:08 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Note that were gently drifting to calling her or whomever wrote the story a fibber..now, anyone?
No...I’m simply stating that her description of what happened leaves a few things up to the imagination, including any explicit accusation of force, which makes it difficult to infer a conclusion of force.
Verbatim, I don’t find her account a convincing case for assault, or predation. That’s it.
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 17, 2018 at 2:12 pm
Isn't a forced blow job kinda risky?
Biting is a thing.
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 17, 2018 at 2:13 pm
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I understand, but now we're wondering if maybe he had enough finesse to be creepy and coercive without being legally forceful. I dn;t find it a convincing case for assault either..I think that when she blew him, she blew it. IDK if that;s right, but I know it;s going to stick out to a jury. At the same time it;s easy to see why she would think she may have been a victim here. She really does seem to have been, going by her story, by her version of events..even the kindest interpretation is of a general creeper who stayed just this side of the line..that much at least we all agree on.
Anoither allegation...no changes to the specifics whatsoever, same weak case for assault..I think he;d be facing a stickier pickle. So I hope they both learned something.
(January 17, 2018 at 2:12 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Isn't a forced blow job kinda risky?
Biting is a thing.
Apparently not, women blow their victimizers and forget to snip the tip, which is why..even though the whole "she blew him" thing is devastating to her allegation in our perceptions..its not all that informative as to whether or not she was victimized.
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 17, 2018 at 2:20 pm
(January 17, 2018 at 2:08 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Note that were gently drifting to calling her or whomever wrote the story a fibber..now, anyone? Before it didn't sound like an assualt. Now it sounds like maybe the assaulty elements were sensationalized?
-and nobodies victim blaming or perp defending, in the least.
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Calm down, dumby. We're saying a journalist wrote the story, not Grace. No one called her a fibber. We're saying there's obviously gaps in the story, which there are.
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 17, 2018 at 2:20 pm
(January 17, 2018 at 2:07 pm)Mermaid Wrote: (January 17, 2018 at 2:05 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Just going by her account. According to her account, sexual assault did not happen. Unless something was left out or not made clear.
I think she actually did claim he assaulted her. But I am not completely clear on that, the headlines are all sensationalistic
What I meant was what she described is not sexual assault.
But yes, she did blatantly accuse him of sexual assault, but her story doesn't match her accusation.
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 17, 2018 at 2:20 pm
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(January 17, 2018 at 2:13 pm)Khemikal Wrote: I think that when she blew him, she blew it.
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 17, 2018 at 2:20 pm
(January 17, 2018 at 1:58 pm)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: He clearly followed her around the house even as she was clearly trying to impose distance between herself and him.
She was naked. If she wasn't interested, she would have imposed clothing between herself and him.
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