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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 18, 2018 at 1:21 pm
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(January 18, 2018 at 1:11 pm)Mermaid Wrote: (January 18, 2018 at 12:55 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Imagine this. Two people start making out. Clothes come off. They continue to make out, completely naked. Is it reasonable at that point for one of them to assume that its ok to reach for the others' genetelia?
If you're making out with someone and you both got naked and are making out naked, do you have to ask "may I touch your vagina?" If you do so without asking, is that sexual assault?
As I said before. Getting naked during a make out session certainly sends out a major non verbal cue.
This is arguable but I was asking about what Hammy said specifically, that a woman is consenting to sex if she does not say "Stop" or "No".
During sex, yes. Obviously if a guy walks up to a woman and tries to stick his penis in her that's rape even if she didn't say anything.
But if you're already having sex with a woman it wouldn't possibly work for the woman to have to constantly say "don't stop" all the time. If sex has already commenced then, yes, a "stop" is required. Rather than a "Hey I wanted to stop half way through the sex but I kept quiet and you failed to read my mind!"
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 18, 2018 at 1:23 pm
(January 18, 2018 at 1:07 pm)Tiberius Wrote: (January 18, 2018 at 1:05 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Probably not the best example, tibs..since of course she confirmed that her opinion was what she thought the catholic opinion was, and mentioned that what with her being a catholic that's not really much of a surprise.
She suggested a return to puritanical sexual mores as a solution for rape, lol.
It was still an assumed motivation at that point. Thump is being a hypocrite. His words were "when you may or may not know why".
You have no problem with others in this thread imputing motive when those imputations support your view, but here I go and do it, and you want to have a go at me.
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 18, 2018 at 1:25 pm
(January 18, 2018 at 12:55 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (January 18, 2018 at 12:37 pm)Mermaid Wrote: I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not. I really really hope so.
Imagine this. Two people start making out. Clothes come off. They continue to make out, completely naked. Is it reasonable at that point for one of them to assume that its ok to reach for the others' genetelia?
If you're making out with someone and you both got naked and are making out naked, do you have to ask "may I touch your vagina?" If you do so without asking, is that sexual assault?
As I said before. Getting naked during a make out session certainly sends out a major non verbal cue.
Asking "may I please touch your vagina" would kill the entire mood.
And what if she's the submissive type and likes to be told what to do DURING sex?
If she had to permit everything that would turn her off because she's submissive and doesn't want to have to tell the guy what to do.
The point is that once sex starts.... sex has started. To stop it... you say "stop".
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 18, 2018 at 1:25 pm
(January 18, 2018 at 1:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The assumed motivation of promoting ones religious values as a solution for sexual assault? Doesn't take much to make the "assumption".......when one explicitly proposes their religious values as a solution for the problem of sexual assualt....
Still irrelevant given that Thump's new position is that you shouldn't denigrate someone even when you may know why they are putting forward a position.
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January 18, 2018 at 1:27 pm
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(January 18, 2018 at 1:14 pm)Shell B Wrote: (January 18, 2018 at 1:05 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Probably not the best example, tibs..since of course she confirmed that her opinion was what she thought the catholic opinion was, and mentioned that what with her being a catholic that's not really much of a surprise.
She suggested a return to puritanical sexual mores as a solution for rape. It's silly, and just downright offensive to hear a person promote their religious values as though this will somehow alleviate the issue of sexual assualt, lol.
You find it offensive that she espouses an old-fashioned sexual morality? Who gives a shit?
You know what fucking offends me?! Fuckers who take offense at stuff! It's super annoying! 
Indeed. Who gives a shit.
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January 18, 2018 at 1:27 pm
I'm sure thump can fight his own battles on that count.
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 18, 2018 at 1:28 pm
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(January 18, 2018 at 1:25 pm)Tiberius Wrote: (January 18, 2018 at 1:10 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The assumed motivation of promoting ones religious values as a solution for sexual assault? Doesn't take much to make the "assumption".......when one explicitly proposes their religious values as a solution for the problem of sexual assualt....
Still irrelevant given that Thump's new position is that you shouldn't denigrate someone even when you may know why they are putting forward a position.
But... but... but the Catholic lady called "Catholic Lady"'s Catholic motivations were..... CATHOLIC! It's outrageous! 
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January 18, 2018 at 1:30 pm
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Stop assuming her catholic motivations were catholic, Hammy! 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Aziz Ansari Doesn't Pick Up On "Non-Verbal Cues" and Gets Treated Like A Rapist
January 18, 2018 at 1:32 pm
(January 18, 2018 at 12:24 pm)alpha male Wrote: (January 18, 2018 at 11:49 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote: Actually, I'm not special. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the overwhelming majority of men don't fall afoul female "complexity", not because we're so special we understand their every in and out, but because we consider the feelings and desires of someone else besides ourselves.
So, why do you think this woman keeps finding the rare jerks - just coincidence?
Quote:“I remember saying, ‘You guys are all the same, you guys are all the fucking same.’”
What makes you think she was talking about men she herself had dated? Perhaps she was referring to men her friends had dated. Perhaps she was simply trying to say something hurtful in an ugly situation. Perhaps she was expressing disappointment that this guy who puts himself forward as friendly towards women's issues would be such a boor.
You seem to possess much more knowledge than I do about her mindset, though. Perhaps you could consult that knowledge and enlighten us?
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