(January 19, 2018 at 11:18 pm)Jane2d Wrote: OK so your customers are basically the government, who's financed by the trickle down from we the people.  I can see why you are upset.  Just curious, was your wifes company a beneficiary of TARP?

LOL< no, my customers are the folks who can get a job at a toyota subsidiary in rural america.  You know..not heroine addicts, have a hsd or better, will show up to work, can operate assembly apparatus...white?  That sort of thing?  

See, the gov stuff, that I do for -you- just offsets my operational inputs..and who wants to live like that, paycheck to paycheck or worse?  Not me, been there, never going back.  I actually do benefit from trickle down fantasies, but only because I'm not an honest hardworking american. I;m a member of the landed caste, with generational money..that is worth more or less depending on how hard our government intends to fuck the poor on any given fiscal year. So, when plebes like yourself get the greasy shaft, I have a bumper year...but I can't help but feel bad about it.

Quote:Bummer for your small niche.  Benefit for my small niche.  Ever it thus was.

Picking winners and losers..........and I see you've abandoned your skepticism and said, in effect, "fuck automotive assembly line employees".......because when they can't buy my shit anymore, I won't be able to drink with abandon @ noon on a tuesday and put up 350 posts here on AF......but they won't be able to afford their bills....and that's when I buy up all their assets on the cheap. Fun fact, I'm sitting here, right now.....on a former thoroughbred farm and I'm pretty sure the previous owner was having a heart attack when he signed it over to me for 30 dollars on the acre. I do love a foreclosure.

It's a family tradition. #MAGA

So maybe, for a moment, before you stick your foot in your mouth making excuses for trump and trickle down..entertain the notion that the person you're talking to is the beneficiary of fucked up schemes to protect their wealth at the cost of impoverishing the average joe, and not some dirt poor commie sympathizing welfare queen..... huh, peach?

Nope governments and nations are trickle up . The workers and the working class and consuming class are the drivers of an economy .

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(January 19, 2018 at 11:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(January 19, 2018 at 11:18 pm)Jane2d Wrote: OK so your customers are basically the government, who's financed by the trickle down from we the people.  I can see why you are upset.  Just curious, was your wifes company a beneficiary of TARP?

LOL< no, my customers are the folks who can get a job at a toyota subsidiary in rural america.  You know..not heroine addicts, have a hsd or better, will show up to work, can operate assembly apparatus...white?  That sort of thing?  

See, the gov stuff, that I do for -you- just offsets my operational inputs..and who wants to live like that, paycheck to paycheck or worse?  Not me, been there, never going back.  I actually do benefit from trickle down fantasies, but only because I'm not an honest hardworking american.  I;m a member of the landed caste, with generational money..that is worth more or less depending on how hard our government intends to fuck the poor on any given fiscal year.  So, when plebes like yourself get the greasy shaft, I have a bumper year...but I can't help but feel bad about it.

Quote:Bummer for your small niche.  Benefit for my small niche.  Ever it thus was.

Picking winners and losers..........and I see you've abandoned your skepticism and said, in effect, "fuck automotive assembly line employees".......because when they can't buy my shit anymore, I won't be able to drink with abandon @ noon on a tuesday and put up 350 posts here on AF......but they won't be able to afford their bills....and that's when I buy up all their assets on the cheap.  Fun fact, I'm sitting here, right now.....on a former thoroughbred farm and I'm pretty sure the previous owner was having a heart attack when he signed it over to me for 30 dollars on the acre.  I do love a foreclosure.

It's a family tradition.  #MAGA

So maybe, for a moment, before you stick your foot in your mouth making excuses for trump and trickle down..entertain the notion that the person you're talking to is the beneficiary of fucked up schemes to protect their wealth at the cost of impoverishing the average joe, and not some dirt poor commie sympathizing welfare queen..... huh, peach?

So now your story changes - and I quote:

I'm a "consultant" well dug in to local, state and federal government. In the winter...I sometimes pull part time hours managing them as a production supervisor - because I have a higher level of education/experience and come from a more demanding industry (DOD contract manufacturing). I have the chops and contacts (nepotism ftw) to come and go as I please and set my own terms. They, on the other hand, are prisoners of their own relatively fortunate situations.

To make it relatable...you know those guys you see putting mosquito traps on ditches and taking samples from your watershed runoff and quantifying game fish pops in local waterways? That's me. GOV work

(NRCS, EPA,  RCDC)

 I operate a very small farm with a very specific clientele (predominantly the state).

end quote

So according to your own post, the majority of your work life has been spent feeding off income tax at some level (state/fed).  You have produced nothing towards the GDP until you began peddling tomatos to your wifes underlings.
Bravo I suppose...

Again, you claim to know what these underlings for your wife pay in taxes each year vs what they expect to pay under the new tax rates, but I straight up don't believe you are correct and became dismissive of your output at that point.  You have not seen their tax returns so you really don't know what you are claiming.  

And so far, Trumps plans have worked out well for me.  It doesn't bother me that its worked out well for people with more than I have.  It doesn't bother me that you have benefited. 

Oh, and its heroin.... a whole different meaning than heroine.

(January 20, 2018 at 2:51 am)Jane2d Wrote: So now your story changes - and I quote:

I'm a "consultant" well dug in to local, state and federal government. In the winter...I sometimes pull part time hours managing them as a production supervisor - because I have a higher level of education/experience and come from a more demanding industry (DOD contract manufacturing). I have the chops and contacts (nepotism ftw) to come and go as I please and set my own terms. They, on the other hand, are prisoners of their own relatively fortunate situations.

To make it relatable...you know those guys you see putting mosquito traps on ditches and taking samples from your watershed runoff and quantifying game fish pops in local waterways? That's me. GOV work

(NRCS, EPA,  RCDC)

 I operate a very small farm with a very specific clientele (predominantly the state).

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So according to your own post, the majority of your work life has been spent feeding off income tax at some level (state/fed).  You have produced nothing towards the GDP until you began peddling tomatos to your wifes underlings.
Bravo I suppose...

You're unfamiliar with agricultural work (and..apparently, environmental monitoring or dod manufacturing ....), so I forgive you for not knowing your ass from a hole in the ground and drawing conclusions based on that.  Tell you what, though...if you know of some place where I could make a dime peddling tomatoes to people feel free to speak up...because that would be fantastic, lol. That's the sort of thing that rural america needs right now....but, as far as anyone's aware, complete and utter fantasy.

Quote:Again, you claim to know what these underlings for your wife pay in taxes each year vs what they expect to pay under the new tax rates, but I straight up don't believe you are correct and became dismissive of your output at that point.  You have not seen their tax returns so you really don't know what you are claiming.  

Chortles...I'll let you try and work out how a person who employs another person might know what they claim on their taxes......I'm sure it'll come to you.

Quote:And so far, Trumps plans have worked out well for me.  It doesn't bother me that its worked out well for people with more than I have.  It doesn't bother me that you have benefited. 

"Fuck you got mine"..well, good for you.  Like I said, works out great for me too..doesn't change that it doesn't work out great for the people around me, now does it?  You asked a question, I gave you a fn answer. It;s not my problem if that answer gives you the meatsweats for not conforming to your hilarious trickle down fantasies.

Quote:Oh, and its heroin.... a whole different meaning than heroine.

Thanks mom.

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Quote:"Fuck you got mine"..well, good for you.  Like I said, works out great for me too..doesn't change that it doesn't work out great for the people around me, now does it?  

Republitard greed at it's finest

Khemikal Wrote:You're unfamiliar with agricultural work, so I forgive you for not knowing your ass from a hole in the ground and drawing conclusions based on that.  

My conclusions are based on your words.  BTW, I grew up on a farm.  Thats why I know your talking shit.  Bloviating even.

Khemikal Wrote:...doesn't change that it doesn't work out great for the people around me, now does it?  

Your unsubstantiated bs you mean?  

Khemikal Wrote:Thanks mom.

more like babysitter...

(January 20, 2018 at 3:17 am)Jane2d Wrote: My conclusions are based on your words.  BTW, I grew up on a farm.  Thats why I know your talking shit.  Bloviating even.

Most of the people I work with "grew up on a farm"..and they're still at it, but...they're not making any money.  That's why people like me exist.  You're welcome.  Absolutely not contributing to the gdp in any way, lol.

Quote:Your unsubstantiated bs you mean?  

Sounds like the forum version of fake news, to me.  I don't understand why you find it so difficult to believe that a subset of americans will not benefit from this tax plan, since it's public knowledge that precisely this subset of americans don't benefit from this tax plan.........

Because it does not fit the religious gospel of conservative economics .

IDK, they're the ones that intentionally borked deductions to punish this subset, aiming their guns at blue states but causing a bit of collateral damage along the way among the newly minted middle class in rural manufacturing hubs. It's hard to see how it doesn't "fit" - it was their goddamned plan, lol.