Right right right.  I'm a delusional poopy head and I make atheists look bad and I've got it all wrong.  Now that we've got that out of the way....

Do I have cancer or not?  What am I supposed to care about?  What does magic book say?

(January 23, 2018 at 4:52 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(January 23, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If "go read the bible !!!" actually answered anyone's questions then why has all the bible reading by bible believing christians managed to produce nothing other than confusion and disagreement?

It seems like a silly suggestion...it;s not even working for you.

I don't think that it is that much of a problem on many things.

When scientist or philosophers have disagreements do you feel the same?

When scientists have disagreements they are debating concepts that are mostly, tangible. Christian theology is as futile an endeavour as debating the incorrect use of syntax in Klingon poetry. Why are there so many thousands of different Christian sects? All fingers point to that idiotic nonsense, the bible.

'Read the bible'.
The book of revelation? 1st chronicles? Leviticus?
I think the sunk cost fallacy applies to the Christian apologists position, they have so much invested in this fantasy that they are unable / incapable of letting it go. They know it's a crock and that's why they are so defensive, I have pity rather than contempt for these poor sods.
They have been fucked from day one by the parents, the church, the schools and the priests.

RoadRunner, are you a bible literalist or is there anything in the bible-Christian dogma you can point to and say, this is clearly demonstrably wrong?

(January 23, 2018 at 9:15 pm)Succubus Wrote:

(January 23, 2018 at 4:52 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I don't think that it is that much of a problem on many things.

When scientist or philosophers have disagreements do you feel the same?

When scientists have disagreements they are debating concepts that are mostly, tangible. Christian theology is as futile an endeavour as debating the incorrect use of syntax in Klingon poetry. Why are there so many thousands of different Christian sects? All fingers point to that idiotic nonsense, the bible.

'Read the bible'.
The book of revelation? 1st chronicles? Leviticus?
I think the sunk cost fallacy applies to the Christian apologists position, they have so much invested in this fantasy that they are unable / incapable of letting it go. They know it's a crock and that's why they are so defensive, I have pity rather than contempt for these poor sods.
They have been fucked from day one by the parents, the church, the schools and the priests.

RoadRunner, are you a bible literalist or is there anything in the bible-Christian dogma you can point to and say, this is clearly demonstrably wrong?

Yes.. it’s amazing how these arguments and reason do not apply consistently.  I also suspect that your psychoanalysis is more reading into it what you want.  I think it is better to discuss ideas rather than prescribe self serving motives to others. 


To answer your question. 
I am not a literalist.  I think that the Bible should be read with consideration for natural language and various methods of communicating ideas.   This doesn’t mean that I think I told had errors; Just that when Jesus says “I am the Door” that I am thinking hinges and a knob.

(January 23, 2018 at 5:47 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(January 23, 2018 at 5:41 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Fortunately for me, my doctor can demonstrate whether or not I have cancer, so I don’t need to “believe just in case.”

Also, you didn't ask why you should believe, you asked "why should I care" which is an entirely different question.

Sure.  I was being snarky, but I see the point in your distinction.  What I mean is, why should anyone accept the Bible as a reliable pathway to truth?

(January 23, 2018 at 9:41 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(January 23, 2018 at 5:47 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Also, you didn't ask why you should believe, you asked "why should I care" which is an entirely different question.

Sure.  I was being snarky, but I see the point in your distinction.  What I mean is, why should anyone accept the Bible as a reliable pathway to truth?

That is a very good question and not necessarily a short answer. Perhaps I may point you to the epistemology thread.

But you do need to care enough to properly address it.

(January 23, 2018 at 9:50 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(January 23, 2018 at 9:41 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Sure.  I was being snarky, but I see the point in your distinction.  What I mean is, why should anyone accept the Bible as a reliable pathway to truth?

That is a very good question and not necessarily a short answer. Perhaps I may point you to the epistemology thread.

But you do need to care enough to properly address it.

Can you summarize some bullet points here perhaps?

(January 23, 2018 at 9:59 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:

(January 23, 2018 at 9:50 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: That is a very good question and not necessarily a short answer. Perhaps I may point you to the epistemology thread.

But you do need to care enough to properly address it.

Can you summarize some bullet points here perhaps?

I thought you didn’t care....

Perhaps another time.

(January 23, 2018 at 5:10 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(January 23, 2018 at 3:57 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: I've tried to read the bible several times.  Couldn't make it through Genesis.  It's just so boring, and as a skeptic, I think to myself "prove it" with just about every line read.

EDIT: Despite that, I'm not entirely sure where I'm supposedly wrong.  Christians talk about their god being the Father all the time.  Not just Jesus's father, but the father of all creation.  It's not like I'm pulling the notion out of my ass... its your own metaphor.

Actually, what I noticed the most, was the description of sending those to hell, simply because they didn't believe.

Are you trying to say that belief in Jesus being the son of god, his torture, death, and subsequent resurrection aren’t a requirement to get into heaven?

I mean, I know the latest Pope has claimed that anyone that’s a good person gets in, but from what I understand, that’s definitely not the opinion of Protestants.

(January 23, 2018 at 10:02 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(January 23, 2018 at 9:59 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: Can you summarize some bullet points here perhaps?

I thought you didn’t care....

Perhaps another time.

And I thought I had just clarified what I meant by that: Why should anyone accept the Bible as a reliable pathway to truth?