Somebody give him a kick. His needle's stuck.

(February 9, 2018 at 5:44 am)Succubus Wrote: So why do you insist on using the sphincter?

In a way this Suc is a good question unfortunately this doesn't save you from failing once again.  

The reality is that we humans are stuck inside a body so until this come to an end we are forced to make good use of what we got or better say of our body or vehicle.
If any part of our vehicle doesn't work we are automatically in trouble.
Even if small things such as the sphincter.  

I guess you never thought about that Suc, did you?  

(February 10, 2018 at 9:40 am)Little Rik Wrote: In a way this Suc is a good question unfortunately this doesn't save you from failing once again.  

The reality is that we humans are stuck inside a body so until this come to an end we are forced to make good use of what we got or better say of our body or vehicle.
If any part of our vehicle doesn't work we are automatically in trouble.
Even if small things such as the sphincter.  

I guess you never thought about that Suc, did you?  

I'm pretty sure Suc knows what he's talking about. You think our bodies are machines, I agree with that. The brain is our operating system and the rest of the body represents other components. Computers and robots don't have souls and I don't see any evidence that we have.

Quote:I guess you never thought about that Suc, did you?

No, I can't say I have.

(February 9, 2018 at 4:11 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(February 9, 2018 at 3:45 am)Little Rik Wrote: It doesn't really matter   how many books someone read or how his-her intellect is great.
The thing is that the intellect is controlled by the pituary gland.
Intellectuals fail to understand that above the pituary gland lie the pineal gland which is a lot more powerful that the pituary one so it is obvious that an intellectual will never come up on top when arguing with someone who use intuition which lie in the pineal gland.  

I can't believe it dude. You are a Cartesian. I'm not saying this to criticize you or anything, but it's amazing to find someone this day and age saying that the pineal gland is the seat of the soul.

Do you know why Descartes thought that? It was a guess. He did an autopsy on a human brain (or perhaps studied the results of one carried out by another, IDK). But anyway, he concluded that the pineal gland must be the seat of consciousness because everything else in the brain came in pairs. Due to his own philosophical investigations, he concluded that the soul was a unified thing (ie. not in stereo) so, therefore, it seemed likely that the soul most likely contacted the material body via that gland.

Like I said, this was a guess. And not one scrap of evidence has been produced to prove his assertion. Unless you can produce some kind of evidence that the soul interacts with the body through the pineal gland, I'll have to say that materialism remains more plausible to me.

Guesses can be right or wrong.
Obviously atheism is a wrong guess but what Descartes guessed was correct.

Atheism is based on materialism.
The problem with materialism is that it failed to take in consideration that we humans are not only made of matter.
Our consciousness is not made of matter.

Other people other than Descartes did and do different experiments to find out whether the pineal gland is the seat of soul or not.
Yoga is the real way to find this out because yoga is small in theory and big in practice and it is in practicing that you find out who you really are and your connection to a big consciousness that pervade everything.

As a drop of water came from the big ocean she is bound to go back in the same ocean.

Materialism is a total failure    in thinking that we are the body and when this body die we also die.  

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(February 10, 2018 at 9:54 am)Die Atheistin Wrote:

(February 10, 2018 at 9:40 am)Little Rik Wrote: In a way this Suc is a good question unfortunately this doesn't save you from failing once again.  

The reality is that we humans are stuck inside a body so until this come to an end we are forced to make good use of what we got or better say of our body or vehicle.
If any part of our vehicle doesn't work we are automatically in trouble.
Even if small things such as the sphincter.  

I guess you never thought about that Suc, did you?  

I'm pretty sure Suc knows what he's talking about. You think our bodies are machines, I agree with that. The brain is our operating system and the rest of the body represents other components. Computers and robots don't have souls and I don't see any evidence that we have.

So you like to compare computer and robot with our consciousness eh?

Consciousness goes in degrees Die.
I guess you never though about that, did you?

A dog has got less consciousness that a human.
A plant less than than an animal and pure matter even less because she is in a latent state of slumber but after million of years this state of slumber slowly start to awake and we can see this in the uranium where energy-consciousness refuse to keep in that state so everything move and change.
Nothing stay the same for ever.
Energy-consciousness clearly refuse to stay in a state of permanent slumber.
Where this energy-consciousness is heading to this I leave to you to guess.  

This only show that matter is not us.  

(February 10, 2018 at 10:39 am)Little Rik Wrote: Guesses can be right or wrong.

True. But a guess is not confirmation of anything. You haven't produced any evidence that Descartes' guess was correct. Until then, I lend it no more credence than the assertion that the moon is made of cheese.

Quote:Yoga is the real way to find this out because yoga is small in theory and big in practice and it is in practicing that you find out who you really are and your connection to a big consciousness that pervade everything.

Yoga clears the head, which is good. It works via human physiology to have a positive impact on the mind. It doesn't give you knowledge that you didn't have before. It doesn't give you the ability to levitate. Yes, there are many benefits to regular yoga practice, but many of the claims attached to it are exaggerated.

Quote:As a drop of water came from the big ocean she is bound to go back in the same ocean.

Arguments from metaphor don't really prove anything either. You can't make a point with toothless arguments and guesses, Rik. Why should I accept them? If I did, I would have been evangelized by whatever religion got to me first.

(February 10, 2018 at 10:39 am)Little Rik Wrote:

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(February 10, 2018 at 9:54 am)Die Atheistin Wrote: I'm pretty sure Suc knows what he's talking about. You think our bodies are machines, I agree with that. The brain is our operating system and the rest of the body represents other components. Computers and robots don't have souls and I don't see any evidence that we have.

So you like to compare computer and robot with our consciousness eh?

Consciousness goes in degrees Die.
I guess you never though about that, did you?

A dog has got less consciousness that a human.
A plant less than than an animal and pure matter even less because she is in a latent state of slumber but after million of years this state of slumber slowly start to awake and we can see this in the uranium where energy-consciousness refuse to keep in that state so everything move and change.
Nothing stay the same for ever.
Energy-consciousness clearly refuse to stay in a state of permanent slumber.
Where this energy-consciousness is heading to this I leave to you to guess.  

This only show that matter is not us.  

I compared our bodies with computers referring to the fact that they're both systems, and no, the fact that humans are a system doesn't prove that we've been designed by a god.
I've noticed that there are various levels of consciousness, so what? How does this prove that consciousness is outside our bodies? 
This is how I see the concept of a soul and an afterlife:

Die Atheistin, That was a perfectly decent well thought out reply. Unfortunately, you've took your eye off the ball. Little Rik is an odious troll.

(February 10, 2018 at 6:29 pm)Die Atheistin Wrote:

(February 10, 2018 at 10:39 am)Little Rik Wrote:

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So you like to compare computer and robot with our consciousness eh?

Consciousness goes in degrees Die.
I guess you never though about that, did you?

A dog has got less consciousness that a human.
A plant less than than an animal and pure matter even less because she is in a latent state of slumber but after million of years this state of slumber slowly start to awake and we can see this in the uranium where energy-consciousness refuse to keep in that state so everything move and change.
Nothing stay the same for ever.
Energy-consciousness clearly refuse to stay in a state of permanent slumber.
Where this energy-consciousness is heading to this I leave to you to guess.  

This only show that matter is not us.  

I compared our bodies with computers referring to the fact that they're both systems, and no, the fact that humans are a system doesn't prove that we've been designed by a god.
I've noticed that there are various levels of consciousness, so what? How does this prove that consciousness is outside our bodies? 
This is how I see the concept of a soul and an afterlife:

Why did I show you that there are different level of consciousness?

You didn't guessed, did you DA so let me explain that to you.

Our universe has a peculiarity which is that is constantly moving and changing and this moving and changing drags everything and everyone with it.
Consciousness too.
The degree of consciousness that you had 10 or more years ago is not the same now.
You want to improve all the time so does the matter a plant or an animal.
We all want to improve and go ahead.
Everything in this universe is behind destruction.
Even science tell us that energy is behind destruction.
Only most atheists think that when the body die we ( I am) also die but the desire to go ahead can not be stopped by the death of our body.
All this has already been demonstrated by thousand of NDEs experiences in which even strong atheists are now strong believers.  

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(February 10, 2018 at 11:02 am)vulcanlogician Wrote:

(February 10, 2018 at 10:39 am)Little Rik Wrote: Guesses can be right or wrong.

True. But a guess is not confirmation of anything. You haven't produced any evidence that Descartes' guess was correct. Until then, I lend it no more credence than the assertion that the moon is made of cheese.

Life can be very tough VL.
You don't get anything for free.
You got to struggle all the time and this is also valid when you want to prove something.
To prove that your consciousness is located somewhere you got to struggle.
But if you follow the teaching of someone who already find that out then so much better.
The teacher can show you the way to get there.
Even when you were at school you follow the teaching of a teacher.
I do the same because this is the best way to learn and when the teaching lead you to prove something then you are there.
By following his teaching I can say that the consciousness lie in the pineal gland Descartes or not Descartes.

Quote:Yoga is the real way to find this out because yoga is small in theory and big in practice and it is in practicing that you find out who you really are and your connection to a big consciousness that pervade everything.

Quote:Yoga clears the head, which is good. It works via human physiology to have a positive impact on the mind. It doesn't give you knowledge that you didn't have before. It doesn't give you the ability to levitate. Yes, there are many benefits to regular yoga practice, but many of the claims attached to it are exaggerated.

Wrong again VL.  
Yoga is not about learning to levitate or do miracles although once you merge into God everything is possible.
Yoga is for expanding the consciousness in order to bring a parallelism between you and God so when this happen there will not be anymore difference between you and God.

Quote:As a drop of water came from the big ocean she is bound to go back in the same ocean.

 

Quote:Arguments from metaphor don't really prove anything either. You can't make a point with toothless arguments and guesses, Rik. Why should I accept them? If I did, I would have been evangelized by whatever religion got to me first.

This is science VL.
Don't atheists believe in science?