(February 17, 2018 at 1:16 am)Tizheruk Wrote: i for one would not have any such problem . But that's just it he can't prove either . Nor is it enough to prove the former without the later .

Yeah, that's the thing. You can't go around accusing people of treating the perfect woman like dirt if no such woman actually exists. It's kinda unfair.

(February 17, 2018 at 1:07 am)Tizheruk Wrote: If God were a truly good being . Satan would never have rebelled (assuming it's true) it never would have entered his mind . He would sooner have killed himself then done so .

That is what a lot of people think about the great controversy, that Satan has a case.

You are right on the mark with the thread topic, I'll give you that.

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(February 17, 2018 at 12:58 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: Why would I hope so?

Otherwise you'd be wrong for calling me one.

(February 17, 2018 at 12:47 am)Banned Wrote:

(February 17, 2018 at 12:42 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: What good reason is there to believe a god exists?

Because goodness exists.
"Good" and "God" come from the same word.

Etymology fail:

https://www.etymonline.com/word/good
https://www.etymonline.com/word/god

From the latter:

Quote:Popular etymology has long derived God from good; but a comparison of the forms ... shows this to be an error. Moreover, the notion of goodness is not conspicuous in the heathen conception of deity, and in good itself the ethical sense is comparatively late. [Century Dictionary, 1902]

(February 17, 2018 at 1:07 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:That's like saying that if a man was given a perfect woman then they would never be unfaithful and treat her like gold.

If she was truly the perfect woman no other woman could ever even peek a man interest. He or she would utterly devote themselves to that one woman a value here above life itself . Or she is not a perfect woman .

Quote:That's utter garbage.

Nope it just shows your religions faults 

I can personally attest to that. The scenario he lampooned is most definitely not garbage, in my experience.

(February 16, 2018 at 5:18 pm)Banned Wrote: Just a couple of notes about hell.

No one is tortured without end.

After the world is destroyed at the second advent, the world lies desolate for 1000 years, no human life, just the fallen angels on their own.
The saints were raised to life at the advent of Christ, and they go to heaven and live there for 1000 years.

When the 1000 years are over, the city or heaven moves to earth and settles on it.
Then the wicked are raised to life - billions of them.
They are told by Satan that he is the misunderstood prince of this world, and that he wants to claim it back.

The wicked are organized and inspired to form weapons and an army to surround the city and take over. This takes months to prepare, and when they are ready, they march towards the city and surround it.
The people are taken back by the scene of heaven, and almost totally immobilized by the experience.

Then they are given a panoramic vision of the history of the conflict between good and evil - how it began in heaven and was played out on earth.

They see the entire history of earth, life of Christ, the rise and fall of nations, and their own impact in the world.

With perfect accuracy their own thoughts and actions are bought to view, showing the consequences of their sins on all affected.

All bow down before God and confess that he is fair and merciful in requiring a simple faith - the only means by which love can work.

Satan is hated and despised by all, he tries to rally the battle, but no one is interested, in their disappointment and bitterness, the people turn against whoever they blame for their demise, and try to kill them. The army is fighting itself.

A fire begins inside Satan's chest, and he falls to the ground, his angels are next in order of rank, and while they are burning, fire falls from heaven, and begins to consume the wicked.

The wicked are made to suffer the pain they caused on others, and the pain they caused God and heaven, and they die, in pure anguish, like Jesus did on the cross.

The murderer, will feel the stab wounds he gave, and the horror of dying. The thief will feel the loss and insecurity, the liar will feel betrayed, the adulterer will feel pain stronger than losing a loved one by death. The blasphemers will feel the agony of being utterly humiliated.

Some will burn for a long time, as long as it takes for them to experience what they have done to others and God. Satan is the last one to perish.

The earth itself is totally melted, but out of the white heat, a new creation begins, and the earth is turned into a paradise, better than it was in the beginning.
The earth becomes home base for universal travel.

Human beings will tend to and look after the countess planets and creatures. They are as gods to the universe.

The wicked utterly perish by an unquenchable fire, they will never be again, and in the ensuing years they will never be remembered.

OMG, listen to the programming. David Koresh would have just loved you.

(February 17, 2018 at 4:30 am)Cyberman Wrote:

(February 17, 2018 at 12:47 am)Banned Wrote: Because goodness exists.
"Good" and "God" come from the same word.

Etymology fail:

https://www.etymonline.com/word/good
https://www.etymonline.com/word/god

From the latter:

Quote:Popular etymology has long derived God from good; but a comparison of the forms ... shows this to be an error. Moreover, the notion of goodness is not conspicuous in the heathen conception of deity, and in good itself the ethical sense is comparatively late. [Century Dictionary, 1902]

GOD.

G  generator (creator).
O  operator   ( running the universe or giving energy to exist 24/7)
D destroyer   ( as the single unit reach the goal of life it cease to exist as a unit and merge in Him, become Him)  

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(February 16, 2018 at 5:18 pm)Banned Wrote: Just a couple of notes about hell.

No one is tortured without end.

After the world is destroyed at the second advent, the world lies desolate for 1000 years, no human life, just the fallen angels on their own.
The saints were raised to life at the advent of Christ, and they go to heaven and live there for 1000 years.

When the 1000 years are over, the city or heaven moves to earth and settles on it.
Then the wicked are raised to life - billions of them.
They are told by Satan that he is the misunderstood prince of this world, and that he wants to claim it back.

The wicked are organized and inspired to form weapons and an army to surround the city and take over. This takes months to prepare, and when they are ready, they march towards the city and surround it.
The people are taken back by the scene of heaven, and almost totally immobilized by the experience.

Then they are given a panoramic vision of the history of the conflict between good and evil - how it began in heaven and was played out on earth.

They see the entire history of earth, life of Christ, the rise and fall of nations, and their own impact in the world.

With perfect accuracy their own thoughts and actions are bought to view, showing the consequences of their sins on all affected.

All bow down before God and confess that he is fair and merciful in requiring a simple faith - the only means by which love can work.

Satan is hated and despised by all, he tries to rally the battle, but no one is interested, in their disappointment and bitterness, the people turn against whoever they blame for their demise, and try to kill them. The army is fighting itself.

A fire begins inside Satan's chest, and he falls to the ground, his angels are next in order of rank, and while they are burning, fire falls from heaven, and begins to consume the wicked.

The wicked are made to suffer the pain they caused on others, and the pain they caused God and heaven, and they die, in pure anguish, like Jesus did on the cross.

The murderer, will feel the stab wounds he gave, and the horror of dying. The thief will feel the loss and insecurity, the liar will feel betrayed, the adulterer will feel pain stronger than losing a loved one by death. The blasphemers will feel the agony of being utterly humiliated.

Some will burn for a long time, as long as it takes for them to experience what they have done to others and God. Satan is the last one to perish.

The earth itself is totally melted, but out of the white heat, a new creation begins, and the earth is turned into a paradise, better than it was in the beginning.
The earth becomes home base for universal travel.

Human beings will tend to and look after the countess planets and creatures. They are as gods to the universe.

The wicked utterly perish by an unquenchable fire, they will never be again, and in the ensuing years they will never be remembered.

Look mate.  
Don't you think you have gone far too far with all this garbo?  

In your firm belief you thought you did a good job in warning other about the danger of going against God.
In reality you have done a great disservice to God.
If God exist then the hell can not possibly exist because that would means that God did mistakes.
How can God do mistakes?
Hell is a sad story invented by corrupted priests in order to control the mind of the masses so please stop with all this rubbish for your own well being as well.  

I wouldn't expect you to know anything about english. You've yet to get your head around drooling and bladder control.

(February 16, 2018 at 6:22 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Who are these "evil doers"?

Evangelical Christians and kebab shop owners.

(February 17, 2018 at 10:51 am)Cyberman Wrote: I wouldn't expect you to know anything about english. You've yet to get your head around drooling and bladder control.

Ok. then.  

You teach me English and I teach you how this universe works.  

Deal?  

My New Year's Resolution was to not talk to the nutter on the bus. I'll talk to your handler.