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So, I understand what you're saying. It's important to narrow down what the statistics mean in terms of murder. However, I don't see much of a difference between a murder and an accidental shooting if the same laws could prevent both. Again, I'm not anti-gun, but I could be persuaded to be if I thought we couldn't come up with good legislation to prevent the same number of deaths. Sure, you could remove the handful of suicides that could reasonably have been called euthanasia from the stats, but you'd still have a wild number of deaths from guns. I'm not sure distinctions mean much at that point. That being said, I can see why you believe acting like every gun death had a madman behind it is dishonest.
(February 20, 2018 at 12:16 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Wtf??
Yeah, I think if you read what he was responding to, it makes more sense. I double-taked on that too the first time around.
Did the Washington sniper really do any mass shootings? Wasn't all of the victims single shootings?
(February 20, 2018 at 2:23 pm)Lutrinae Wrote:
(February 20, 2018 at 2:15 pm)Tiberius Wrote: Guns are designed primarily as a weapon. Yes, you can use them for recreational activities, but their main purpose is to kill.
Precisely.
Why would you use a pistol as a spoon? But you can use a spoon as a deadly weapon.
It's good to see the people marching. After having solved the issues of women, racism, and science with very successful marches, we'll be able to cross guns off the list real soon.
(February 20, 2018 at 9:51 pm)wallym Wrote: It's good to see the people marching. After having solved the issues of women, racism, and science with very successful marches, we'll be able to cross guns off the list real soon.
I hope your right, the gun issue needs to come to an end once and for all. I see five key issues at hand here. Getting rid of Trump, deflating the military budget, gun-control, getting out of the middle east and protecting the internet from censorship. If we can focus on these five issues and put a dent in them, it will be a good start.
“A man isn't tiny or giant enough to defeat anything” Yukio Mishima
February 20, 2018 at 10:47 pm (This post was last modified: February 20, 2018 at 10:48 pm by Shell B.)
(February 20, 2018 at 9:42 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Did the Washington sniper really do any mass shootings? Wasn't all of the victims single shootings?
I mean, that's kind of a meaningless distinction in terms of criminality, not to mention the fact that gang shootings are predominately white and Latino. I do concede that most mass shootings are perpetrated by white men, but there aren't literally no mass shootings by black men.
(February 20, 2018 at 6:02 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(February 20, 2018 at 2:38 pm)Shell B Wrote: Agreed. We'll see, but it is starting to look like we have a brand-new voting group stepping up pretty soon. I hope they care as much about the issue as old Republicans do about what people do with their sex organs.
February 20, 2018 at 11:35 pm (This post was last modified: February 20, 2018 at 11:36 pm by Wyrd of Gawd.)
(February 20, 2018 at 10:47 pm)Shell B Wrote:
(February 20, 2018 at 9:42 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Did the Washington sniper really do any mass shootings? Wasn't all of the victims single shootings?
I mean, that's kind of a meaningless distinction in terms of criminality, not to mention the fact that gang shootings are predominately white and Latino. I do concede that most mass shootings are perpetrated by white men, but there aren't literally no mass shootings by black men.
(February 20, 2018 at 6:02 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: You leave my sex organs out of this.
February 21, 2018 at 3:49 am (This post was last modified: February 21, 2018 at 3:52 am by CapnAwesome.)
(February 20, 2018 at 8:01 pm)Cyberman Wrote:
(February 20, 2018 at 11:59 am)CapnAwesome Wrote: I for one, don't think 'from my cold dead hands' is a bluff.
Bluff or not, I've always thought that 'cold, dead hands' thing very peculiar. The message is "I have a constitutional right to be a law-abiding, responsible gun owner; and to defend that right, I am prepared to break the law in the most irresponsible way possible".
It's a scary thing to think about. Gun nut is a phrase for a reason. I just find it odd when people who proclaim to care about mass shootings want to provoke the most well armed part of our society. It sort of shows that they don't really care about the victims at all.
(February 20, 2018 at 8:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Gun owner: 'You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.'
Yours Truly: 'I accept the arrangement.'
Boru
Then you guys don't care about mass shootings or the victims, cause that would cause an insane amount of them.
(February 20, 2018 at 8:01 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Bluff or not, I've always thought that 'cold, dead hands' thing very peculiar. The message is "I have a constitutional right to be a law-abiding, responsible gun owner; and to defend that right, I am prepared to break the law in the most irresponsible way possible".
It's a scary thing to think about. Gun nut is a phrase for a reason. I just find it odd when people who proclaim to care about mass shootings want to provoke the most well armed part of our society. It sort of shows that they don't really care about the victims at all.
(February 20, 2018 at 8:47 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Gun owner: 'You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.'
Yours Truly: 'I accept the arrangement.'
Boru
Then you guys don't care about mass shootings or the victims, cause that would cause an insane amount of them.
I think we are overreacting , most people won't be able to kill someone.
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