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RE: SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves
April 7, 2018 at 12:22 pm
(April 7, 2018 at 12:11 pm)alpha male Wrote: (April 7, 2018 at 8:44 am)LadyForCamus Wrote: I’m sure we’re going to disagree on the details, but yeah, I think at a certain point in gestation it becomes immoral to abort. I’m not sure where that line should be drawn, but I think it’s a discussion definitely worth having. I believe it is morally wrong, for example, for a woman to walk into a clinic at 20 weeks pregnant and ask for an abortion simply because she doesn’t want the baby. Now, I know that most late term abortions aren’t for that reason, and we should make exceptions for instances where the fetus is no longer viable or the mother’s life is in immediate danger, but I would support 20 week bans that fall outside of those circumstances. At 20 weeks we are no longer talking about a microscopic ball of undifferentiated cells. We are talking about a living creature with a developing central nervous system that can hear, taste, feel anxiety and comfort, and possibly (I know it’s disputed) feel pain. Just because a living thing isn’t fully conscious doesn’t mean it’s always morally right to end its life. I think most of us would say it’s immoral to euthanize, say, a pet hamster just because you didn’t want it anymore and it became an inconvenience. Why should anyone be allowed to treat a human baby that way?
Yes, we disagree on the details, but in essence we're each willing to judge what a woman does with her uterus. As an atheist who wants to fit in here, you don't say Sorry Tres, but if you're 20 weeks along I have an opinion on what you should and shouldn't do with your uterus - but that apparently is the case.
I don’t think it’s about judgement. I think it’s about being willing to discuss a complex moral dilemma. There are no easy answers, IMO. It’s the people who pretend there are who I think are on the wrong side.
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RE: SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves
April 7, 2018 at 12:30 pm
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(April 7, 2018 at 12:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (April 7, 2018 at 12:11 pm)alpha male Wrote: Yes, we disagree on the details, but in essence we're each willing to judge what a woman does with her uterus. As an atheist who wants to fit in here, you don't say Sorry Tres, but if you're 20 weeks along I have an opinion on what you should and shouldn't do with your uterus - but that apparently is the case.
I don’t think it’s about judgement. I think it’s about being willing to discuss a complex moral dilemma. There are no easy answers, IMO. It’s the people who pretend there are who I think are on the wrong side.
When you say that in your opinion it's immoral, you're judging. And, you'd support bans of abortions post 20 weeks, so you're willing to force your judgment on other women. You seem to be trying to have your cake and eat it too.
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RE: SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves
April 7, 2018 at 12:42 pm
(April 7, 2018 at 10:30 am)A Theist Wrote: (April 4, 2018 at 2:24 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: Everybody just needs to stay out of my uterus......
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RE: SCOTUS Tells Anti-Abortion Nuts To Go Fuck Themselves
April 7, 2018 at 12:44 pm
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Grant every fetus on us soil citizenship..and then there'll be a case. Until then, there just isn't. The state is constitutionally bound to side with the citizens interests. There certainly are simple solutions to the slut shamers problem..they just don't wanna, because of other people they'd like to fuck with too.
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April 7, 2018 at 12:45 pm
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(April 7, 2018 at 12:30 pm)alpha male Wrote: (April 7, 2018 at 12:22 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: I don’t think it’s about judgement. I think it’s about being willing to discuss a complex moral dilemma. There are no easy answers, IMO. It’s the people who pretend there are who I think are on the wrong side.
When you say that in your opinion it's immoral, you're judging. And, you'd support bans of abortions post 20 weeks, so you're willing to force your judgment on other women. You seem to be trying to have your cake and eat it too.
I’m talking about having a moral discussion. Having cake and eating it too? Yeah, it is a bit like that, I guess. How can we preserve a woman’s bodily autonomy without diminishing the value of human life? I never said I had all the answers. Maybe there is no perfectly, morally right solution. But my point about Tres was that women should get to have sex for pleasure just as men do.
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April 7, 2018 at 12:50 pm
but..but..but...how will they punish you for breaking their holy mores?
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April 7, 2018 at 12:50 pm
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(April 7, 2018 at 8:19 am)alpha male Wrote: Quote:Did you really expect respectful sympathy and empathy for your little story after talking to people here like that?
No. Likewise, Tres shouldn't have expected her comment to be off-bounds because it was personal. Further, there were many ways she could have phrased that same sentiment in general terms without saying "my uterus."
You don't get to make an unassailable statement by making it personal. You don't accept that from opponents, yet you try to wield it as a weapon in your favor.
I'm still not certain what your impetus was for the "keep your legs shut" comment other than remarkably inflammatory snark. If that's it, so be it - just another day on the web.
But I can only surmise that if you actually knew me as a person rather than a bunch of 0's and 1's, you'd be deeply ashamed of your comments.
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April 7, 2018 at 12:56 pm
(April 7, 2018 at 12:50 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: (April 7, 2018 at 8:19 am)alpha male Wrote: No. Likewise, Tres shouldn't have expected her comment to be off-bounds because it was personal. Further, there were many ways she could have phrased that same sentiment in general terms without saying "my uterus."
You don't get to make an unassailable statement by making it personal. You don't accept that from opponents, yet you try to wield it as a weapon in your favor.
But I can only surmise that if you actually knew me as a person rather than a bunch of 0's and 1's, you'd be deeply ashamed of your comments.
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Let’s hope...
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April 7, 2018 at 12:57 pm
(April 7, 2018 at 12:56 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote: (April 7, 2018 at 12:50 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: But I can only surmise that if you actually knew me as a person rather than a bunch of 0's and 1's, you'd be deeply ashamed of your comments.
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April 7, 2018 at 1:14 pm
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(April 7, 2018 at 12:50 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: (April 7, 2018 at 8:19 am)alpha male Wrote: No. Likewise, Tres shouldn't have expected her comment to be off-bounds because it was personal. Further, there were many ways she could have phrased that same sentiment in general terms without saying "my uterus."
You don't get to make an unassailable statement by making it personal. You don't accept that from opponents, yet you try to wield it as a weapon in your favor.
I'm still not certain what your impetus was for the "keep your legs shut" comment other than remarkably inflammatory snark. If that's it, so be it - just another day on the web.
But I can only surmise that if you actually knew me as a person rather than a bunch of 0's and 1's, you'd be deeply ashamed of your comments.
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Shame appear to also require the functions in a portion of the brain that must be removed to lower the intellect and diminish judgement sufficiently for one to be a trump supporting Christian.
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