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RE: Best Theistic Arguments
April 19, 2018 at 6:53 pm
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Psh, so unamerican. Why have one when you can have as many as you want? Microtargeted gods...down to inanely hilarious specifics. As many as the stars in the sky.
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RE: Best Theistic Arguments
April 19, 2018 at 7:00 pm
Quote:There can only be debate when both parties take a stance, which you are unwilling to do.
No you can defend theism from criticism and we can stick to saying . We lack belief and rip your argument to pieces like we always do . You simply don't like it because it does not give you anything to attack . Well tough .
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RE: Best Theistic Arguments
April 19, 2018 at 7:04 pm
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(April 19, 2018 at 7:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:There can only be debate when both parties take a stance, which you are unwilling to do.
No you can defend theism from criticism and we can stick to saying . We lack belief and rip your argument to pieces like we always do . You simply don't like it because it does not give you anything to attack . Well tough .
I mean, he's the one with the direct line to God or claims to have any evidence. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. But I'm happy to shoot down any flawed arguments he presents. I wish there was a Good God. If I found any evidence of a Good God or argument to prove a truly Good God I'd be the first to leap into the air with happiness because maybe life is less shit after all.
But I still can't imagine how a truly Good God could possibily justify allowing a world with so much suffering. That free will bullshit excuse won't cut it. If a Good God truly exists and there truly is a heaven or hell then after I die he's got some explaining to do. Like, for starters, why there was no evidence of him.
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RE: Best Theistic Arguments
April 19, 2018 at 7:20 pm
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(April 19, 2018 at 7:04 pm)Hammy Wrote: (April 19, 2018 at 7:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: No you can defend theism from criticism and we can stick to saying . We lack belief and rip your argument to pieces like we always do . You simply don't like it because it does not give you anything to attack . Well tough .
I mean, he's the one with the direct line to God or claims to have any evidence. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. But I'm happy to shoot down any flawed arguments he presents. I wish there was a Good God. If I found any evidence of a Good God or argument to prove a truly Good God I'd be the first to leap into the air with happiness because maybe life is less shit after all.
But I still can't imagine how a truly Good God could possibily justify allowing a world with so much suffering. That free will bullshit excuse won't cut it. If a Good God truly exists and there truly is a heaven or hell then after I die he's got some explaining to do. Like, for starters, why there was no evidence of him.
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And yup i'm not trying to convince anyone either . But even if i was all i have to do is point out the fact the evidence they present is unjustified crap . And people like Wooter who proclaim men can't convince you of god . That's an excuse of those who have nothing on their side.
(April 19, 2018 at 3:42 pm)Aegon Wrote: (April 19, 2018 at 3:30 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: People do not find faith through the rational demonstrations of humans; but rather, by having their lives changed by the Holy Spirit. Our culture encourages people to look for sources of meaning other than the Divine and there are more avenues through which to do so.
But what you call the "Holy Spirit" I could call... anything else, really. You just decided to look at whatever happened through Judeo-Christian lens, no? Wow the excuse making for apologetics failure is real
And trying to compare science that we honestly have yet to fully understand. To making up excuses to dodge question theists can't answer . That's just lame.
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RE: Best Theistic Arguments
April 19, 2018 at 9:14 pm
(April 19, 2018 at 7:04 pm)Hammy Wrote: (April 19, 2018 at 7:00 pm)Tizheruk Wrote: No you can defend theism from criticism and we can stick to saying . We lack belief and rip your argument to pieces like we always do . You simply don't like it because it does not give you anything to attack . Well tough .
I mean, he's the one with the direct line to God or claims to have any evidence. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. But I'm happy to shoot down any flawed arguments he presents. I wish there was a Good God. If I found any evidence of a Good God or argument to prove a truly Good God I'd be the first to leap into the air with happiness because maybe life is less shit after all.
But I still can't imagine how a truly Good God could possibily justify allowing a world with so much suffering. That free will bullshit excuse won't cut it. If a Good God truly exists and there truly is a heaven or hell then after I die he's got some explaining to do. Like, for starters, why there was no evidence of him.
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RE: Best Theistic Arguments
April 20, 2018 at 11:43 am
(April 19, 2018 at 6:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Psh, so unamerican. Why have one when you can have as many as you want? Microtargeted gods...down to inanely hilarious specifics. As many as the stars in the sky.
Jeff, the god of biscuits that hit a dirty floor -after- you've put honey on them; but decide to eat anyway....on even numbered tuesdays that aren't rainy.
-repeat ad infinitum.
You'd think that a god or gods would have a targeted marketing ability more efficient and pervasive than what Facebook offers advertisers.
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For my money, any mono-deity that, for whatever reason, isn't atomic (I find the standard issue answer of "god created everything out of an abundance of love" to be incredibly weak) would have to exhibit simplicity and efficiency that exudes elegance. The Judeo-Christian god, with all of its petty, earthly concerns, with all of its resets and do-overs, all of its waste, all of its convolutions (the entire sin/redemption via blood sacrifice of a proxy/hell setup) is pretty obviously the invention of ancient people tripping over themselves to justify their lot in life, while also attempting to convince themselves that, no, they're actually the chosen ones, and the people who oppressed them will get what they deserve in the end.
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RE: Best Theistic Arguments
May 9, 2018 at 11:49 pm
Surprisingly, so many people don’t acknowledge that ‘creation’ itself is evidence of God. What is happening here is that their fallen nature is at enmity with God and attempts to wrap itself with a veneer of intellectualism, or some other defense as the Spanish Inquisition, Preist doing unsavory acts, 'religious' stepfather was abusive But in their quiet moments, they have to keep reminding themselves that there isn’t any God. Like the poet said ‘truth is like dust, just can’t get rid of that stuff; it just keeps hanging around’. That why atheists: crave reassurance that their uneasy feeling is not really justified, yet that feeling keeps haunting their conscience. That's because every person is blessed with a spirit (eternal and gives knowledge of God), the 3'rd component, the other 2 are mind and body - animals only have these 2 components.
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RE: Best Theistic Arguments
May 9, 2018 at 11:52 pm
(May 9, 2018 at 11:49 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Surprisingly, so many people don’t acknowledge that ‘creation’ itself is evidence of God. What is happening here is that their fallen nature is at enmity with God and attempts to wrap itself with a veneer of intellectualism, or some other defense as the Spanish Inquisition, Preist doing unsavory acts, 'religious' stepfather was abusive But in their quiet moments, they have to keep reminding themselves that there isn’t any God. Like the poet said ‘truth is like dust, just can’t get rid of that stuff; it just keeps hanging around’. That why atheists: crave reassurance that their uneasy feeling is not really justified, yet that feeling keeps haunting their conscience. That's because every person is blessed with a spirit (eternal and gives knowledge of God), the 3'rd component, the other 2 are mind and body - animals only have these 2 components.
"Creation" is not evidence of god, though. To a subjective observer, perhaps, the type who finds comfort in the readily available answer.
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RE: Best Theistic Arguments
May 10, 2018 at 4:46 am
(May 9, 2018 at 11:49 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Surprisingly, so many people don’t acknowledge that ‘creation’ itself is evidence of God. What is happening here is that their fallen nature is at enmity with God and attempts to wrap itself with a veneer of intellectualism, or some other defense as the Spanish Inquisition, Preist doing unsavory acts, 'religious' stepfather was abusive But in their quiet moments, they have to keep reminding themselves that there isn’t any God. Like the poet said ‘truth is like dust, just can’t get rid of that stuff; it just keeps hanging around’. That why atheists: crave reassurance that their uneasy feeling is not really justified, yet that feeling keeps haunting their conscience. That's because every person is blessed with a spirit (eternal and gives knowledge of God), the 3'rd component, the other 2 are mind and body - animals only have these 2 components.
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RE: Best Theistic Arguments
May 10, 2018 at 4:54 am
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(April 8, 2018 at 8:54 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: Don't get caught trying to disprove god. The ID people love that one.
They also try limiting the debate by posing a question and then giving you a choice of two extreme options. There are always more than two options. Ignore the options and consider whether their assumptions are valid.
(April 10, 2018 at 1:52 am)Huggy74 Wrote: I would argue that life only comes from life. This is a fact not a claim.
It has never been observed or demonstrated that life can spawn from non-life, therefore making abiogenesis a claim for which no evidence exists.
I bet you can't even give a robust definition of what life is therefore how would you even recognise life coming from non-life? Personally I can do the former which means I can also do the latter.
This is why strict definitions are important.
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