(May 2, 2018 at 7:04 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Ever hear of the Christian Scientists ??

I also note some folks take that verse near the end of Matthew seriously  . . .

What does any particular groups doctrine have to do with what the bible actually says? Can their beliefs be supported by scripture?

Also what verse are you referring to?

(May 2, 2018 at 4:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I challenge anyone to a debate. There are irreducible complex systems in nature that make evolution impossible.

If you are really too scared, that's fine.

Kitzmiller V Dover

Quote:On cross-examination, Professor Behe admitted that: “There are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred.” (22:22-23 (Behe)). Additionally, Professor Behe conceded that there are no peer-reviewed papers supporting his claims that complex molecular systems, like the bacterial flagellum, the blood-clotting cascade, and the immune system, were intelligently designed. (21:61-62 (complex molecular systems), 23:4-5 (immune system), and 22:124-25 (blood-clotting cascade) (Behe)). In that regard, there are no peer-reviewed articles supporting Professor Behe’s argument that certain complex molecular structures are “irreducibly complex.”17 (21:62, 22:124-25 (Behe)). In addition to failing to produce papers in peer-reviewed journals, ID also features no scientific research or testing. (28:114-15 (Fuller); 18:22-23, 105-06 (Behe)).

17 The one article referenced by both Professors Behe and Minnich as supporting ID is an article written by Behe and Snoke entitled “Simulating evolution by gene duplication of protein features that require multiple amino acid residues.” (P-721). A review of the article indicates that it does not mention either irreducible complexity or ID. In fact, Professor Behe admitted that the study which forms the basis for the article did not rule out many known evolutionary mechanisms and that the research actually might support evolutionary pathways if a biologically realistic population size were used. (22:41-45 (Behe); P-756).

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kitzmille...Is_Science

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(May 2, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: I am pretty sure you will blow yourself up one day in a failed attempt to be a suicide bomber.

Even mujahideen need better educations than their religions will allow.  That's why the fabricator rarely wears the vest, lol.  His skills and knowledge are in high demand, he has a reason to live, and ignorant (but highly committed) coat racks are a dime a dozen.

(May 2, 2018 at 10:21 pm)Khemikal Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 4:08 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I challenge anyone to a debate. There are irreducible complex systems in nature that make evolution impossible.

If you are really too scared, that's fine.

Kitzmiller V Dover

Quote:On cross-examination, Professor Behe admitted that: “There are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred.” (22:22-23 (Behe)). Additionally, Professor Behe conceded that there are no peer-reviewed papers supporting his claims that complex molecular systems, like the bacterial flagellum, the blood-clotting cascade, and the immune system, were intelligently designed. (21:61-62 (complex molecular systems), 23:4-5 (immune system), and 22:124-25 (blood-clotting cascade) (Behe)). In that regard, there are no peer-reviewed articles supporting Professor Behe’s argument that certain complex molecular structures are “irreducibly complex.”17 (21:62, 22:124-25 (Behe)). In addition to failing to produce papers in peer-reviewed journals, ID also features no scientific research or testing. (28:114-15 (Fuller); 18:22-23, 105-06 (Behe)).

17 The one article referenced by both Professors Behe and Minnich as supporting ID is an article written by Behe and Snoke entitled “Simulating evolution by gene duplication of protein features that require multiple amino acid residues.” (P-721). A review of the article indicates that it does not mention either irreducible complexity or ID. In fact, Professor Behe admitted that the study which forms the basis for the article did not rule out many known evolutionary mechanisms and that the research actually might support evolutionary pathways if a biologically realistic population size were used. (22:41-45 (Behe); P-756).

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kitzmille...Is_Science

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(May 2, 2018 at 4:35 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: I am pretty sure you will blow yourself up one day in a failed attempt to be a suicide bomber.

Even mujahideen need better educations than their religions will allow.  That's why the fabricator rarely wears the vest, lol.  His skills and knowledge are in high demand, he has a reason to live, and ignorant (but highly committed) coat racks are a dime a dozen.  

There are two types of education, the type that make one learn a craft by rote, and then there is the type that teaches one about how the structure of the pursuit of truth actually works, such that one could use it to systematically find out and verify material facts not yet known, much less taught.

MK undoubtedly believe he has the former.  He probably believe there is no more to learning then the former, beside reciting the Koran like an idiot.  He is probably capable learning by rote the craft of how to make a bomb that will work just well enough to blow himself up.  

However, Judging by his posts the parts of his brain needed for latter, such as they were, has long grown gangrenous.  He would never grasp the implications of why the means by which we perfected chemistry and electronics underlying his bomb actually works, such that the craft behind bomb making could be invented and taught to him.

(May 2, 2018 at 6:46 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 6:41 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Jenner thwarting God's will with his puny needles hasn't been consistently viewed as a good thing by a considerable number of Christers over the years . . . .

Who says the use of doctors aren't included in God's will?


Is there no balm in Gilead; is there no physician there? why then is not the health of the daughter of my people recovered? - Jeremiah 8:22

I'm going to go with Free Will for 200, Alex.

Maybe we can at least take comfort in the fact that a truly committed biology denying group of militants are unlikely to develop novel genetic weapons.  They'd have to understand the subject in order to do so.

(May 2, 2018 at 10:53 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Maybe we can at least take comfort in the fact that a truly committed biology denying group of militants are unlikely to develop novel genetic weapons.  They'd have to understand the subject in order to do so.

Safe to say we'll be safe so long as we stay at least a stone's throw away.

If only, huh?  The cynical flexibility of true believers allows them to utilize technology even when they deny the reality and efficacy of the underlying mechanism.  They might not believe in the demonic forgery of physics or the materialist lie of genetics...but they'll launch the missile with a biological warhead all the same.

You know..I can't really get worked up worrying about war.  I'm less and less concerned with the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons.  The thought of designer bioweapons..though, terrifies me*.  It's one of my many tics.  While I doubt that these will ever be cooked up by the real nutters...they are the people I would expect to use them.  Apocalyptic weapons in the hands of an apocalyptic death cult, the fear is real.

*unless we come up with them first, innoculate ourselves against them...and then weaponize our entire populace as latent hosts while selling the rest of the world "treatment" - then I'm all for it...Now Pay Me!

(May 2, 2018 at 11:03 pm)Khemikal Wrote: If only, huh?  The cynical flexibility of true believers allows them to utilize technology even when they deny the reality and efficacy of the underlying mechanism.  They might not believe in the demonic forgery of physics or the materialist lie of genetics...but they'll launch the missile with a biological warhead all the same.

You know..I can't really get worked up worrying about war.  I'm less and less concerned with the possibility of the use of nuclear weapons.  The thought of designer bioweapons..though, terrifies me*.  It's one of my many tics.  While I doubt that these will ever be cooked up by the real nutters...they are the people I would expect to use them.  Apocalyptic weapons in the hands of an apocalyptic death cult, the fear is real.

*unless we come up with them first, innoculate ourselves against them...and then weaponize our entire populace as latent hosts while selling the rest of the world "treatment" - then I'm all for it...Now Pay Me!

Sounds like a plan.  How many guns you got and when do we make our move?

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(May 2, 2018 at 7:14 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 7:04 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Ever hear of the Christian Scientists ??

I also note some folks take that verse near the end of Matthew seriously  . . .

What does any particular groups doctrine have to do with what the bible actually says? Can their beliefs be supported by scripture?

Also what verse are you referring to?

Surely by now with tens of thousands of Christian schisms, you're not surprised that Rule 34 has a counterpart in the religious world?  IOW, every conceivable belief exists somewhere in Christianity.   Christian Scientists have the balls to call themselves Christians just like scads of the rest of them.  No surprise there.  That Jesus failed to set up a proper and rigorous franchising and/or multi-level marketing plan for His religion is something the True® religious folks of this era are just going to have to live with.


And, does the following ring a bell?

. . . they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.


Believe it or not, it's in the Bible, and there are folks that take it absolutely seriously.   I believe they are called Literalists.  Perhaps you've heard of them ???

(May 2, 2018 at 7:52 am)Hammy Wrote:

(May 2, 2018 at 7:28 am)alpha male Wrote: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001WAKDTA/ref...TF8&btkr=1

LMAO you have been demonstrated that 2% of scientists think creationism is true so your response is cherry-pick out a book with testimonies from some of the 2%.... bahahahahahaha. It's so typical of a theist to cherry-pick so pathetically, lmfao. It's the same way you kid yourself into believing that you can make sense of scripture that makes no sense.

For every 50 scientists who deny evolution there are 2450 who accept evolution. You understand what 2% means, yes?

What's worse for the creatards is that of those 50 scientists 50 will work in areas unrelated to biology or are woefully behind in their literature (ie they stopped sciencing in the 50s). Same thing goes with climate change deniers (except they also get bungs from major polluters).