(May 10, 2018 at 4:25 pm)Drich Wrote: In fact God could can be considered a trans dimensional Being.

Caitlyn Jenner is God?

(May 10, 2018 at 10:12 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 10, 2018 at 6:57 am)chimp3 Wrote: I was not asking you specifically.

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God commands murder - Chronicles 13:15-18. God commands more murder -Numbers 25 and rewarded Phinehas for going Son of Sam on two lovers. He kills every one on earth except eight. He ordains his own son to be slaughtered.

God says "Thou shall not commit murder".

How does one derive an objective moral basis for not committing murder based on this?

Because taking a human life, and murder are two completely different things.

This is true even on the level of Man. In the form of the state declaring war, or executing a criminal, or in a liberal state allow abortions. lest you think all women who've had abortions are murders...

So then how is God restricted to make the distinction between murder and killing if we can do the very same thing?

Drich - Context is important. I am submitting questions to be asked on the Christian Debate thread. I am not interested in your response. I am interested to see what similar and opposing opinions these questions may bring between you and the others.

(May 10, 2018 at 5:51 pm)Hammy Wrote:

(May 10, 2018 at 4:41 pm)SteveII Wrote: Your question is malformed. No one deserves a pleasant afterlife. We have all sinned and fallen short. We all deserve separation from God. It is only by the free gift offered that we don't get what we deserve. The difference is that you implied you deserve a "lesser afterlife" because you are not a Christian. That is not the case and the difference has huge impact on the whole worldview.

I don't think anyone ultimately deserves anything be it good or bad.

But considering God knew that original sin was going to happen he condemned everyone knowingly anyway.

I mean, according to the Bible.

Nope. We condemn ourselves by our actions (free will and all). Apparently it is a greater good to have everyone live, enjoy each other, experiences and God's creation and ultimately some choose well and some choose poorly than no one exists at all.

(May 11, 2018 at 9:09 am)SteveII Wrote:

(May 10, 2018 at 5:51 pm)Hammy Wrote: I don't think anyone ultimately deserves anything be it good or bad.

But considering God knew that original sin was going to happen he condemned everyone knowingly anyway.

I mean, according to the Bible.

Nope. We condemn ourselves by our actions (free will and all). Apparently it is a greater good to have everyone live, enjoy each other, experiences and God's creation and ultimately some choose well and some choose poorly than no one exists at all.

So much for dead babies.

(May 11, 2018 at 9:09 am)SteveII Wrote:

(May 10, 2018 at 5:51 pm)Hammy Wrote: I don't think anyone ultimately deserves anything be it good or bad.

But considering God knew that original sin was going to happen he condemned everyone knowingly anyway.

I mean, according to the Bible.

Nope. We condemn ourselves by our actions (free will and all). Apparently it is a greater good to have everyone live, enjoy each other, experiences and God's creation and ultimately some choose well and some choose poorly than no one exists at all.

(May 11, 2018 at 9:20 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(May 11, 2018 at 9:09 am)SteveII Wrote: Nope. We condemn ourselves by our actions (free will and all). Apparently it is a greater good to have everyone live, enjoy each other, experiences and God's creation and ultimately some choose well and some choose poorly than no one exists at all.

So much for dead babies.

Think that through. Babies that die aren't culpable for any sin. They miss out on this life but what is that compared to a potentially infinite time in a better place than this?

They're culpable for Original Sin.

They can burn in hell for eternity for that alone.

(May 11, 2018 at 9:46 am)vorlon13 Wrote: They're culpable for Original Sin.  

They can burn in hell for eternity for that alone.

Show me from the Bible where babies go to hell. Be thorough since you are asserting a serious doctrinal position (but not as serious as a Thursday crucifixion).

(May 11, 2018 at 9:46 am)vorlon13 Wrote: They're culpable for Original Sin.  

They can burn in hell for eternity for that alone.

book chapter and verse please..

(where does that say that in the bible?)

(May 6, 2018 at 5:52 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: "Do you feel that by associating with atheists on an atheist site you are not putting Christ first in your lives?"

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