Hmm, you pray for God to end their suffering? So, God plans for them to suffer some more, and you beg him to stop? And sometimes he does, he alters his plan because someone asked him to?

That's a real shame if someone is suffering and there's no one around to beg God. He just watches them and shrugs.

I've begged God to end all the suffering that ever happens before. But since that's not something that can happen anyway, it didn't happen.

Starting to think Schopenhauer said this best as he did many other things:

(May 17, 2018 at 12:21 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(May 16, 2018 at 7:44 am)mh.brewer Wrote: For me the first time the christian didn't know better and then I let them know I find it offensive. Then they continue to tell me. What should I think?

 You find that a person cares enough for you to take time out of their life to do something for you is offensive? Your compassion for others is lacking in comparison to what compassion others have for you.

GC

Take time???? Do something for me???? If they actually cared about me they'd respect my wishes. They can pray till the cows come home for all I care, they don't need to tell me about it when I ask them not to.

Your statement that the problem is with me only demonstrates that you're an ass.

(May 17, 2018 at 6:55 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 12:21 am)Godscreated Wrote:  You find that a person cares enough for you to take time out of their life to do something for you is offensive? Your compassion for others is lacking in comparison to what compassion others have for you.

GC

Take time???? Do something for me???? If they actually cared about me they'd respect my wishes. They can pray till the cows come home for all I care, they don't need to tell me about it when I ask them not to.

Your statement that the problem is with me only demonstrates that you're an ass.

He thinks he can save your soul. Well okay. What happens now?

Quote:So I got all these things, but so what?
In the end you can't take them with you
You think you can save my soul? Well Ok...
Tell me, with all your conviction
What happens now?

(May 17, 2018 at 6:55 am)mh.brewer Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 12:21 am)Godscreated Wrote:  You find that a person cares enough for you to take time out of their life to do something for you is offensive? Your compassion for others is lacking in comparison to what compassion others have for you.

GC

Take time???? Do something for me???? If they actually cared about me they'd respect my wishes. They can pray till the cows come home for all I care, they don't need to tell me about it when I ask them not to.

Your statement that the problem is with me only demonstrates that you're an ass.

 No it is you who have demonstrated you are the a.., not me. Anyone who can condemn people who want to do something for another and let that other know they care by telling them then there is little to say for that person other than they are most selfish.

GC

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(May 17, 2018 at 5:30 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 12:21 am)Godscreated Wrote:  No the conformation is God's mercy upon those we have prayed for. Death can be mercy, many on their death beds have asked God for just that thing mercy through death. It's certain I'm not on your high level of stupidity. Now hears this, we pray asking that if it is God's will that a person want recover from whatever is taking them to there end that He would be merciful and end their suffering. This is far different than what you are trying to tell others I said. Those you are trying to influence can read and understand well enough that they do not need your false interpretation of what I said.

GC

 The attitude of a hopeless case.

GC

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(May 17, 2018 at 5:43 am)robvalue Wrote: Hmm, you pray for God to end their suffering? So, God plans for them to suffer some more, and you beg him to stop? And sometimes he does, he alters his plan because someone asked him to?

That's a real shame if someone is suffering and there's no one around to beg God. He just watches them and shrugs.

I've begged God to end all the suffering that ever happens before. But since that's not something that can happen anyway, it didn't happen.

 Your use of words is so transparent that it's pitiful, you need to work on disguising them better. I never said we/I begged God, Christians know better. You are right God can't stop all suffering in this world it is part of a promise punishment and God keeps His promises. 

Now to address your ignorance, God never makes a specific plan on each persons suffering. Where you came up with this idea is beyond reasoning. A specific suffering for individuals is not planned by God, so how is it you believe He changed a plan.

You are correct about someone suffering and there is no one to ask God's mercy upon them, but I'm betting you do not remember the discussions about God visiting the sins of the fathers upon their children either. Like I said your ignorance of the Christian faith is obvious, we do not beg, God has made it quite plan in His word that begging doesn't work because it has nothing to do with faith. Also God allows it to rain on the righteous and unrighteous alike and He allows the sun to shine on both in the same way and He will distribute His mercy in like manner.

You might receive better attention if you were civil in your statements, but even if you were to be civil listening is another thing all together and listening is something I highly doubt you know how to do when it comes to a Christian speaking to you.

GC

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(May 17, 2018 at 6:21 am)Hammy Wrote: Starting to think Schopenhauer said this best as he did many other things:

 Why Hammy he is as ignorant and illogical as almost every  atheist I've ever known. He can't even understand the creation story in it's presented order. You need to pick people with some intelligence to quote.

GC

Regardless of why some people think they are here, the actual result (in my opinion) is to push people away from Christianity better than any of us could hope to do. The value systems and rationalisations are so backwards that it sticks out more and more to new generations. The more these people try and proudly defend their faith, the worse it gets.

I'm not saying all Christians here have that effect. We do tend to attract a disproportionate number of fundamentalist types.

Reading the responses to my question and enjoying them greatly. I am actually flipping between old Steven Wright videos and this thread. The juxtaposition is very amusing.

(May 18, 2018 at 10:50 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

Remember, the first thing Moses did when he got religion was to kill the people who disagreed with him and who wanted to practice their own favorite superstitions.

(May 18, 2018 at 12:10 am)Godscreated Wrote:

(May 17, 2018 at 6:55 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Take time???? Do something for me???? If they actually cared about me they'd respect my wishes. They can pray till the cows come home for all I care, they don't need to tell me about it when I ask them not to.

Your statement that the problem is with me only demonstrates that you're an ass.

 No it is you who have demonstrated you are the a.., not me. Anyone who can condemn people who want to do something for another and let that other know they care by telling them then there is little to say for that person other than they are most selfish.

I agree with you for once GC. Maybe I have misjudged you.

I shall pray to Satan, the god of critical thinking skills to give you reason to question your faith.

Want me to upload a video of me doing it?