(May 22, 2018 at 2:10 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:The counter apologetics I read from atheists are pretty horrible so I was originally probably correct that the book sucks.

Nope counter apologetics as a whole have buried christianity Completely as a viable worldview . And apologist literature is a total joke and should be placed in fiction section .And as i said as a primer Dawkins book is alright .  

Quote:Dawkins is a head sock puppet speaker for the atheist scientists, and like I said, I cannot take anything he says seriously.

Dawkins is a speaker for REAL science and REAL science education . And the fact you don't take him seriously says more about you then him . But considering the con men and scientific illiterate nobs you suck up to that says it all really . 

No, the counters are often horrible.  

So you are one of those Dawkins drones?  Un-real.

Quote:No, the counters are often horrible.  

Nope there awesome . Dawkins is not the  best .But Counter apologetics as a whole has buried your religion 10 times over . And your side has nothing to respond with other then Excuses, Fallacies, Mental gymnastics and straight up lies .

Quote:So you are one of those Dawkins drones?  Un-real.

Nope i don't like Dawkins (as i have said repeatedly on this thread) But i can't deny what he's done in the name of keeping REAL science going . And id take a group of Dawkin drones over a group of IDiots anyday .

(May 22, 2018 at 2:19 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:No, the counters are often horrible.  

Nope there awesome . Dawkins is not the  best .But Counter apologetics as a whole has buried your religion 10 times over . And your side has nothing to respond with other then Excuses, Fallacies, Mental gymnastics and straight up lies .

Quote:So you are one of those Dawkins drones?  Un-real.

Nope i don't like Dawkins  (as i have said repeatedly on this thread) But i can't deny what he's done in the name of keeping REAL science going . And id take a group of Dawkin drones over a group of IDiots anyday .

So you are brainwashed into the new atheism cult.

Quote:So you are brainwashed into the new atheism cult.

1.No such thing.An atheist cult is a contradiction in terms.

2. And being accused of being brainwashed by a creationist fundi nut is just hilarious . Your the sole brainwashed person here buddy . I'm a free thinker your deluded religious fanatic .

The general position amongst atheists, in my experience, is that we don't know the answer to most of the big questions yet.

Where did the universe come from, if anywhere? Don't know.

Who/what made it, if anyone? Don't know.

Is there some kind of external purpose to a hypothetical (generic) creator? Don't know.

This is about as un-brainwashed as you can be. I feel like I enjoy a pretty objective view about these questions, and the consideration of any evidence presented, because I also don't care about the answers to these questions (except simple scientific curiosity). So I have no investment causing me bias or requiring me to presuppose anything.

It's the fundamentalists like this guy who claim to have all the answers already, and can't bear the idea of anyone disagreeing with them.

(May 22, 2018 at 3:05 am)Tizheruk Wrote:

Quote:So you are brainwashed into the new atheism cult.

1.No such thing.An atheist cult is a contradiction in terms.

2. And being accused of being brainwashed by a creationist fundi nut is just hilarious . Your the sole brainwashed person here buddy . I'm a free thinker your deluded religious fanatic .

No, you are not free thinking. You follow the crowd of atheists and their new atheist belief system.  You are more brainwashed, like anyone here.

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(May 22, 2018 at 3:32 am)robvalue Wrote: The general position amongst atheists, in my experience, is that we don't know the answer to most of the big questions yet.

Where did the universe come from, if anywhere? Don't know.

Who/what made it, if anyone? Don't know.

Is there some kind of external purpose to a hypothetical (generic) creator? Don't know.

This is about as un-brainwashed as you can be. I feel like I enjoy a pretty objective view about these questions, and the consideration of any evidence presented, because I also don't care about the answers to these questions (except simple scientific curiosity). So I have no investment causing me bias or requiring me to presuppose anything.

It's the fundamentalists like this guy who claim to have all the answers already, and can't bear the idea of anyone disagreeing with them.

However, DNA and the fine-tuned universe does show us where the universe came from, that it was designed by a Designer.  So these big questions are beginning to become answered.  DNA has codes written inside.  To remain brainwashed and act like you are a free thinker despite the proof and evidence is delusional.

Quote:No, you are not free thinking.

Yes i am unlike you who simply spews fundi talking points 

Quote: You follow the crowd of atheists and their new atheist belief system.  

No such thing as an atheist belief system 

Quote:You are more brainwashed,

 Nope you the only brainwashed person in this thread 

Quote:Like anyone here.

Nope everyone here is a ration freethinker accept you the crazed religious zealot .

(May 22, 2018 at 3:33 am)CDF47 Wrote: However, DNA and the fine-tuned universe does show us where the universe came from, that it was designed by a Designer. 

No, No, No, No, No, No!
That is a very wrong leap.
DNA looks designed to your simple mind.
The Universe looks fine tuned to your simple mind.
But you have no way of showing these two designs. Because of this, you cannot infer anything from those "looks designed".

If the whole Universe is designed, then you don't have any basis to argue for any design, because you have nothing - NOTHING - that's not designed for you to compare and measure against.
If the Universe is not designed, then it just isn't.... and the fact that it looks designed to your mind is just your ignorance talking.

The irony of specified complexity demolishing the supernatural  
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13976

(May 21, 2018 at 11:55 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Poor thing doesn;t know who or what he believes in, either.  Have a heart. 

Meh. I tried having a heart pages and pages ago. He ruined the wet dream for me and I just can't forgive that.

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(May 22, 2018 at 1:33 am)CDF47 Wrote:

(May 22, 2018 at 1:29 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Then your not very bright 


No such concept .Again projecting religious concepts on others.

The God Delusion is an evil book.  I believe it is the book that was found under the bed of a suicide teen.  He wasn't smart enough to refute the garbage and it may have cost him his life after losing hope.

Here's a good website see the atrocities (read:killing) in your precious bible. But since I know you won't bother clicking on the link and actually reading any of it, here's the condensed version or a breakdown, if you will: 

Quote:Total number killed by God in the Bible
- Using biblical numbers only: 2,821,364
 - With estimates: 25 million

Fuck your "loving" god. 

Top Ten Atrocities Committed in the Name of Religion

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...moral-bias

Quote:When the numbers are crunched the results are shocking. In his book Drunk with Blood: God’s Killing in the Bible3, Steve Wells adds up the killings attributed to God and those attributed to Satan: Through pestilence, plague, natural disasters, striking people down, et cetera, God is directly described as killing 2, 475, 636 people, often for capricious reasons such as burning incense or even questioning God’s killing. Satan, the goat-headed embodiment of all that is dark in the universe, is given credit for killing a paltry ten. When Wells estimates the likely size of towns or communities destroyed, it raises the number of God’s victims to more than 24 million, and bumps Satan to sixty.  Yet people like Kelly consider God unquestionably righteous and Satan the epitome of evil, with no apparent sense of the inherent hypocrisy.

bold mine. 

@CDF47  You were saying?