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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 3:36 pm
(May 24, 2018 at 3:30 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: (May 24, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: If you believe the stories in the OT are historically factual and not written allegorically.
Jesus never killed anyone, and specifically taught us not to.
So you're a pick and choose. jesus promises to kill in revelations. john got it straight from the horses mouth.
I'm a Catholic. Church authority comes above individual interpretation of the bible, and the CCC clearly states that life is sacred and murder is wrong.
Considering Christians typically believe the same, I'd say you are interpreting the bible very differently from the rest of them, if you come away thinking murder is good.
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 3:37 pm
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Oh, well, when the rcc says something we can be sure that -that's- what makes it wrong. I wonder if the church is ready to excommunicate jesus when he comes back and goes on his genocidal killing spree? Judging from their history, in that regard..I doubt it. 
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 3:42 pm
That's not morality that's mindless following
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 3:42 pm
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(May 24, 2018 at 3:36 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (May 24, 2018 at 3:30 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: So you're a pick and choose. jesus promises to kill in revelations. john got it straight from the horses mouth.
I'm a Catholic. Church authority comes above individual interpretation of the bible, and the CCC clearly states that life is sacred and murder is wrong.
Considering Christians typically believe the same, I'd say you are interpreting the bible very differently from the rest of them, if you come away thinking murder is good.
I'm not saying murder if good and I'm only pointing out what jesus told john according to canon. What do the catholics say about the killings to come in revelations?
Edit: CL, I like you because you have one of the best outlooks when it comes to faith. Don't get to offended. This started with someone else. Don't feel it's your battle.
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 3:43 pm
Cmon guys, I think we all know how it is. Whenever our firmly held and objective moral convictions get in the way of filling pews and plates, under the bus they go!
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 3:43 pm
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(May 24, 2018 at 3:37 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Oh, well, when the rcc says something we can be sure that -that's- what makes it wrong. I wonder if the church is ready to excommunicate jesus when he comes back and goes on his genocidal killing spree? Judging from their history, in that regard..I doubt it. The Catholic church's opinion on killing between what it says and what it has done are two very different things . More then often it has been looking the other way when convenient.
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 3:44 pm
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 3:44 pm
They're consistently inconsistent, I;ll give em that.
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 3:45 pm
(May 24, 2018 at 3:20 pm)mh.brewer Wrote: god must be exempt from the murder clause. god has killed humans (according to your stories) so it is in gods nature to murder.
Three things. First, murder is the unlawful killing of a human being by another, so...on that score alone God cannot murder. Second, God has the right to judge or show mercy to anyone and everyone, so his decision to take a person's life is a judgement or in some cases, a mercy (because of the eternal soul thing). Third, God does not give commands to himself, so his actions are guided by his nature. That nature (the paradigm of goodness) would ensure sufficiently moral justification if he did decide to take a life.
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RE: Theists: how do you account for psychopaths?
May 24, 2018 at 3:46 pm
..aaaaah, the Dredd gambit, always a winner.
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I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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