The success of the show proves that's not quite true. People really are able to laugh at these kinds of things. That's why there are so many liberal comedy news shows. That said, Archie Bunker was supposed to be an idiot that people didn't relate to, but it backfired in a racist America. People actually related to the guy. It's bizarre.

(May 30, 2018 at 10:59 am)Shell B Wrote: The success of the show proves that's not quite true. People really are able to laugh at these kinds of things. That's why there are so many liberal comedy news shows. That said, Archie Bunker was supposed to be an idiot that people didn't relate to, but it backfired in a racist America. People actually related to the guy. It's bizarre.

That is exactly it. Archie Bunker was a despicable character, but he was also human. Which is exactly what Roseanne was meant to be in her show. Most of the comedies that pitch politics against each other have exactly such a character.

It is that very contradiction that makes it real. Racists are as indoctrinated as believers. There are real people underneath.

(May 30, 2018 at 10:14 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/rosean...tp&ffid=gz


Barr's most pointed charge came toward actor Michael Fishman, who played her son D.J. Conner in the ABC reboot.
TheWrap Roseanne "My character was designed to represent the inclusive nature of my views. To represent portions of society often marginalized. In this moment it is important to be clear," said Fishman in part of a lengthy statement posted to Twitter on Tuesday after Barr came under fire for a racist tweet about former Obama aide Valerie Jarrett. "We must stand-up against; bias, hatred, bigotry and ignorance to make society a better place for all."
"I created the platform for that inclusivity and you know it." Barr snapped. "You throw me under the bus. nice!"


I don't believe her Ambien excuse. This shows a lack of character and an inability to take responsibility. If she's really a good person who was making loopy comments, I don't think she would've criticized others for rightfully criticizing her.

I think a lot of the problem, is people don't know who Roseanne Barr is outside of what CNN and Twitter tells them.  

Things like in 1994, ABC was trying to keep an episode of Roseanne featuring a Lesbian kiss off the air, and Roseanne told them she'd take her show to another network if they didn't air it.  

That show also addressed domestic abuse, birth control, gay marriage, abortion, worker rights, depression, mental illness, child abuse, interracial relationships, etc..  And not in a hokey cartoon-y way  She is exactly right that she created the platform.  And it wasn't like it is now, where people do 'tough episodes' because they know they will be applauded as progressive heroes.  This was back when it didn't happen.  She was so far ahead of the curve.

But then she got old, and bought into too much conspiracy stuff, which is sad.  And she's always been a comedian who worries about how other people will 'interpret' what she says later, so once people turned on her, it'd be easy to get rid of her.

Essentially, for those of us old enough to remember, she spent her entire adult life championing the right things at great personal cost decades before the general population got on board.  And people are ready to discard her because at 65, she bought into some conspiracies, and likes Trump.

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Regarding criticizing people criticizing her, I think she's probably frustrated that people who've done nothing are saying she's a bad person, when she's got a lifetime of hugely positive contributions that she had to fight tooth and nail for.

I think Roseanne has different ideas of loyalty than some of the people who are having their publicists put out damage control PR tweets.

(May 30, 2018 at 10:59 am)Shell B Wrote: The success of the show proves that's not quite true. People really are able to laugh at these kinds of things. That's why there are so many liberal comedy news shows. That said, Archie Bunker was supposed to be an idiot that people didn't relate to, but it backfired in a racist America. People actually related to the guy. It's bizarre.

Bunker was a caricature of a dumb, white racist.

Now we have one in the white house.

(May 30, 2018 at 11:45 am)Dom Wrote:

(May 30, 2018 at 10:59 am)Shell B Wrote: The success of the show proves that's not quite true. People really are able to laugh at these kinds of things. That's why there are so many liberal comedy news shows. That said, Archie Bunker was supposed to be an idiot that people didn't relate to, but it backfired in a racist America. People actually related to the guy. It's bizarre.

That is exactly it. Archie Bunker was a despicable character, but he was also human. Which is exactly what Roseanne was meant to be in her show. Most of the comedies that pitch politics against each other have exactly such a character.

It is that very contradiction that makes it real. Racists are as indoctrinated as believers. There are real people underneath.

Yeah, I think we're pretty much on the same page. For the most part, these characters are just characters. Barr just happened to be a more fucked up version of her character in real life.

(May 30, 2018 at 12:40 pm)Minimalist Wrote:

(May 30, 2018 at 10:59 am)Shell B Wrote: The success of the show proves that's not quite true. People really are able to laugh at these kinds of things. That's why there are so many liberal comedy news shows. That said, Archie Bunker was supposed to be an idiot that people didn't relate to, but it backfired in a racist America. People actually related to the guy. It's bizarre.

Bunker was a caricature of a dumb, white racist.

Now we have one in the white house.

I've always been so astounded at how many people actually admired that idiot. The guy who played him was clear that you weren't supposed to like him until he had his enlightened moments. I think those are what made the show great.

(May 30, 2018 at 12:00 pm)henryp Wrote:

(May 30, 2018 at 10:14 am)The Industrial Atheist Wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/rosean...tp&ffid=gz


Barr's most pointed charge came toward actor Michael Fishman, who played her son D.J. Conner in the ABC reboot.
TheWrap Roseanne "My character was designed to represent the inclusive nature of my views. To represent portions of society often marginalized. In this moment it is important to be clear," said Fishman in part of a lengthy statement posted to Twitter on Tuesday after Barr came under fire for a racist tweet about former Obama aide Valerie Jarrett. "We must stand-up against; bias, hatred, bigotry and ignorance to make society a better place for all."
"I created the platform for that inclusivity and you know it." Barr snapped. "You throw me under the bus. nice!"


I don't believe her Ambien excuse. This shows a lack of character and an inability to take responsibility. If she's really a good person who was making loopy comments, I don't think she would've criticized others for rightfully criticizing her.

I think a lot of the problem, is people don't know who Roseanne Barr is outside of what CNN and Twitter tells them.  

Things like in 1994, ABC was trying to keep an episode of Roseanne featuring a Lesbian kiss off the air, and Roseanne told them she'd take her show to another network if they didn't air it.  

That show also addressed domestic abuse, birth control, gay marriage, abortion, worker rights, depression, mental illness, child abuse, interracial relationships, etc..  And not in a hokey cartoon-y way  She is exactly right that she created the platform.  And it wasn't like it is now, where people do 'tough episodes' because they know they will be applauded as progressive heroes.  This was back when it didn't happen.  She was so far ahead of the curve.

But then she got old, and bought into too much conspiracy stuff, which is sad.  And she's always been a comedian who worries about how other people will 'interpret' what she says later, so once people turned on her, it'd be easy to get rid of her.

Essentially, for those of us old enough to remember, she spent her entire adult life championing the right things at great personal cost decades before the general population got on board.  And people are ready to discard her because at 65, she bought into some conspiracies, and likes Trump.

--

Regarding criticizing people criticizing her, I think she's probably frustrated that people who've done nothing are saying she's a bad person, when she's got a lifetime of hugely positive contributions that she had to fight tooth and nail for.

I think something happened to her brain - seriously.

Her tweets are totally bizarre, all over the place and she looks totally confused to me. Erratic. Disjointed. Not normal.