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The success of the show proves that's not quite true. People really are able to laugh at these kinds of things. That's why there are so many liberal comedy news shows. That said, Archie Bunker was supposed to be an idiot that people didn't relate to, but it backfired in a racist America. People actually related to the guy. It's bizarre.
(May 30, 2018 at 10:59 am)Shell B Wrote: The success of the show proves that's not quite true. People really are able to laugh at these kinds of things. That's why there are so many liberal comedy news shows. That said, Archie Bunker was supposed to be an idiot that people didn't relate to, but it backfired in a racist America. People actually related to the guy. It's bizarre.
That is exactly it. Archie Bunker was a despicable character, but he was also human. Which is exactly what Roseanne was meant to be in her show. Most of the comedies that pitch politics against each other have exactly such a character.
It is that very contradiction that makes it real. Racists are as indoctrinated as believers. There are real people underneath.
Barr's most pointed charge came toward actor Michael Fishman, who played her son D.J. Conner in the ABC reboot. TheWrap Roseanne "My character was designed to represent the inclusive nature of my views. To represent portions of society often marginalized. In this moment it is important to be clear," said Fishman in part of a lengthy statement posted to Twitter on Tuesday after Barr came under fire for a racist tweet about former Obama aide Valerie Jarrett. "We must stand-up against; bias, hatred, bigotry and ignorance to make society a better place for all." "I created the platform for that inclusivity and you know it." Barr snapped. "You throw me under the bus. nice!"
I don't believe her Ambien excuse. This shows a lack of character and an inability to take responsibility. If she's really a good person who was making loopy comments, I don't think she would've criticized others for rightfully criticizing her.
I think a lot of the problem, is people don't know who Roseanne Barr is outside of what CNN and Twitter tells them.
Things like in 1994, ABC was trying to keep an episode of Roseanne featuring a Lesbian kiss off the air, and Roseanne told them she'd take her show to another network if they didn't air it.
That show also addressed domestic abuse, birth control, gay marriage, abortion, worker rights, depression, mental illness, child abuse, interracial relationships, etc.. And not in a hokey cartoon-y way She is exactly right that she created the platform. And it wasn't like it is now, where people do 'tough episodes' because they know they will be applauded as progressive heroes. This was back when it didn't happen. She was so far ahead of the curve.
But then she got old, and bought into too much conspiracy stuff, which is sad. And she's always been a comedian who worries about how other people will 'interpret' what she says later, so once people turned on her, it'd be easy to get rid of her.
Essentially, for those of us old enough to remember, she spent her entire adult life championing the right things at great personal cost decades before the general population got on board. And people are ready to discard her because at 65, she bought into some conspiracies, and likes Trump.
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Regarding criticizing people criticizing her, I think she's probably frustrated that people who've done nothing are saying she's a bad person, when she's got a lifetime of hugely positive contributions that she had to fight tooth and nail for.
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Barr's most pointed charge came toward actor Michael Fishman, who played her son D.J. Conner in the ABC reboot. TheWrap Roseanne "My character was designed to represent the inclusive nature of my views. To represent portions of society often marginalized. In this moment it is important to be clear," said Fishman in part of a lengthy statement posted to Twitter on Tuesday after Barr came under fire for a racist tweet about former Obama aide Valerie Jarrett. "We must stand-up against; bias, hatred, bigotry and ignorance to make society a better place for all." "I created the platform for that inclusivity and you know it." Barr snapped. "You throw me under the bus. nice!"
I don't believe her Ambien excuse. This shows a lack of character and an inability to take responsibility. If she's really a good person who was making loopy comments, I don't think she would've criticized others for rightfully criticizing her.
I think a lot of the problem, is people don't know who Roseanne Barr is outside of what CNN and Twitter tells them.
Things like in 1994, ABC was trying to keep an episode of Roseanne featuring a Lesbian kiss off the air, and Roseanne told them she'd take her show to another network if they didn't air it.
That show also addressed domestic abuse, birth control, gay marriage, abortion, worker rights, depression, mental illness, child abuse, interracial relationships, etc.. And not in a hokey cartoon-y way She is exactly right that she created the platform. And it wasn't like it is now, where people do 'tough episodes' because they know they will be applauded as progressive heroes. This was back when it didn't happen. She was so far ahead of the curve.
But then she got old, and bought into too much conspiracy stuff, which is sad. And she's always been a comedian who worries about how other people will 'interpret' what she says later, so once people turned on her, it'd be easy to get rid of her.
Essentially, for those of us old enough to remember, she spent her entire adult life championing the right things at great personal cost decades before the general population got on board. And people are ready to discard her because at 65, she bought into some conspiracies, and likes Trump.
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Regarding criticizing people criticizing her, I think she's probably frustrated that people who've done nothing are saying she's a bad person, when she's got a lifetime of hugely positive contributions that she had to fight tooth and nail for.
I remember some of that. I especially remember the lesbian kiss episode when I was a very religious 14 year old. But usually when the phrase "Throwing somebody under the bus is used" it's not when somebody compared a black person with roots in Iran from American parents to apes and and Islamic extremists.
Its fine to have mixed feelings. It's fine to feel whatever you feel. But you can't make a public statement like she did in this situation. The fact that she did demonstrates something to me. It reminds me kind of of Trump. Except she just doesn't seem to understand why her friends and co-workers can't abide her behavior, and, as far as I know hasn't resulted to insults.
(May 30, 2018 at 12:00 pm)henryp Wrote: I think a lot of the problem, is people don't know who Roseanne Barr is outside of what CNN and Twitter tells them.
Things like in 1994, ABC was trying to keep an episode of Roseanne featuring a Lesbian kiss off the air, and Roseanne told them she'd take her show to another network if they didn't air it.
That show also addressed domestic abuse, birth control, gay marriage, abortion, worker rights, depression, mental illness, child abuse, interracial relationships, etc.. And not in a hokey cartoon-y way She is exactly right that she created the platform. And it wasn't like it is now, where people do 'tough episodes' because they know they will be applauded as progressive heroes. This was back when it didn't happen. She was so far ahead of the curve.
But then she got old, and bought into too much conspiracy stuff, which is sad. And she's always been a comedian who worries about how other people will 'interpret' what she says later, so once people turned on her, it'd be easy to get rid of her.
Essentially, for those of us old enough to remember, she spent her entire adult life championing the right things at great personal cost decades before the general population got on board. And people are ready to discard her because at 65, she bought into some conspiracies, and likes Trump.
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Regarding criticizing people criticizing her, I think she's probably frustrated that people who've done nothing are saying she's a bad person, when she's got a lifetime of hugely positive contributions that she had to fight tooth and nail for.
If she wanted people to speak warmly about her, she shouldn't have tweeted what she did. Furthermore, a "champion" of social causes doesn't turn her back on, or speak ill of those causes. Ever. Consider that yesterday she tweeted that she was leaving twitter and yet, amazingly enough, she's still at it. And she's retweeting things and them deleting them. She is literally all over the place with this shit. She's the WLB in female form.
She isn't sorry about what she's said or done or about who she's hurt in the process. She's only sorry that she got caught.
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(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work. If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now. Yes, I DO want fries with that.
(May 30, 2018 at 10:59 am)Shell B Wrote: The success of the show proves that's not quite true. People really are able to laugh at these kinds of things. That's why there are so many liberal comedy news shows. That said, Archie Bunker was supposed to be an idiot that people didn't relate to, but it backfired in a racist America. People actually related to the guy. It's bizarre.
(May 30, 2018 at 10:59 am)Shell B Wrote: The success of the show proves that's not quite true. People really are able to laugh at these kinds of things. That's why there are so many liberal comedy news shows. That said, Archie Bunker was supposed to be an idiot that people didn't relate to, but it backfired in a racist America. People actually related to the guy. It's bizarre.
That is exactly it. Archie Bunker was a despicable character, but he was also human. Which is exactly what Roseanne was meant to be in her show. Most of the comedies that pitch politics against each other have exactly such a character.
It is that very contradiction that makes it real. Racists are as indoctrinated as believers. There are real people underneath.
Yeah, I think we're pretty much on the same page. For the most part, these characters are just characters. Barr just happened to be a more fucked up version of her character in real life.
(May 30, 2018 at 10:59 am)Shell B Wrote: The success of the show proves that's not quite true. People really are able to laugh at these kinds of things. That's why there are so many liberal comedy news shows. That said, Archie Bunker was supposed to be an idiot that people didn't relate to, but it backfired in a racist America. People actually related to the guy. It's bizarre.
Bunker was a caricature of a dumb, white racist.
Now we have one in the white house.
I've always been so astounded at how many people actually admired that idiot. The guy who played him was clear that you weren't supposed to like him until he had his enlightened moments. I think those are what made the show great.
Barr's most pointed charge came toward actor Michael Fishman, who played her son D.J. Conner in the ABC reboot. TheWrap Roseanne "My character was designed to represent the inclusive nature of my views. To represent portions of society often marginalized. In this moment it is important to be clear," said Fishman in part of a lengthy statement posted to Twitter on Tuesday after Barr came under fire for a racist tweet about former Obama aide Valerie Jarrett. "We must stand-up against; bias, hatred, bigotry and ignorance to make society a better place for all." "I created the platform for that inclusivity and you know it." Barr snapped. "You throw me under the bus. nice!"
I don't believe her Ambien excuse. This shows a lack of character and an inability to take responsibility. If she's really a good person who was making loopy comments, I don't think she would've criticized others for rightfully criticizing her.
I think a lot of the problem, is people don't know who Roseanne Barr is outside of what CNN and Twitter tells them.
Things like in 1994, ABC was trying to keep an episode of Roseanne featuring a Lesbian kiss off the air, and Roseanne told them she'd take her show to another network if they didn't air it.
That show also addressed domestic abuse, birth control, gay marriage, abortion, worker rights, depression, mental illness, child abuse, interracial relationships, etc.. And not in a hokey cartoon-y way She is exactly right that she created the platform. And it wasn't like it is now, where people do 'tough episodes' because they know they will be applauded as progressive heroes. This was back when it didn't happen. She was so far ahead of the curve.
But then she got old, and bought into too much conspiracy stuff, which is sad. And she's always been a comedian who worries about how other people will 'interpret' what she says later, so once people turned on her, it'd be easy to get rid of her.
Essentially, for those of us old enough to remember, she spent her entire adult life championing the right things at great personal cost decades before the general population got on board. And people are ready to discard her because at 65, she bought into some conspiracies, and likes Trump.
--
Regarding criticizing people criticizing her, I think she's probably frustrated that people who've done nothing are saying she's a bad person, when she's got a lifetime of hugely positive contributions that she had to fight tooth and nail for.
I think something happened to her brain - seriously.
Her tweets are totally bizarre, all over the place and she looks totally confused to me. Erratic. Disjointed. Not normal.
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