(June 2, 2018 at 2:34 am)CDF47 Wrote: It is obvious, a super-intelligence created everything.

It's obvious that there's no good reason to think DNA was designed.

Just thought I'd take 'argument from it's obvious!' for a spin.

(June 2, 2018 at 8:04 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 6:09 pm)CDF47 Wrote: The only known source of functional information like this is from intelligence.

And the reproductive environment via natural selection, as amply demonstrated for over a century, a natural process that results in specific, functional adaptations that even creationists no longer deny.

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(June 1, 2018 at 6:31 pm)CDF47 Wrote: No one can come close to explaining it.  It is just shrugged off, like usual.

Evidence in this thread suggests you haven't the slightest interest in the closest anyone has come to explaining it: RNA world.

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(June 1, 2018 at 6:44 pm)CDF47 Wrote: I really think there are a number of people on here who lie to serve their atheist agenda.  They know the truth, it is too obvious, but they, deny, deny, deny.

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Think of how human body temperature sensing and control works as one example.  There are temperature sensors in the body that report to a central control system which then either provides heating or cooling to the human body.  These are designed systems.  The entire body plan is designed.

It's obvious to me that you haven't the slightest care whether your reasoning is sound (cogent premises, non-fallacious logic). If the truth were really on your side, you could make a fucking argument without botching it up with a fallacy.

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(June 1, 2018 at 6:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Serving your agenda.  Salute.  You are so brainwashed, it ain't even funny.

And there's a side helping of astounding unconscious irony, Mr. 'I'm here on an atheist forum to serve the ID agenda'.

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(June 1, 2018 at 7:08 pm)CDF47 Wrote: You can't even come close to trying to start explaining the complexity of DNA information and how it functions.

RNA world. RNA world. RNA world.

Explain how RNA is evidence for the design of the information in DNA which encodes for proteins.

So are we going to celebrate once we reach 400 pages?

I'm beginning to wonder if we'll reach 500.

(June 2, 2018 at 8:11 am)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 7:43 am)CDF47 Wrote: Armies of scientists have been working on evidence for a century and more and more things appear designed.

But that isn't what the science says is it.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/artic...eationist/

Please summarize the key part regarding DNA information.  Not going to read a 20 page article right now.

(June 2, 2018 at 4:21 am)CDF47 Wrote: Why do atheists have so much faith that this world just came out of nothing.

Given how many times we've explained that is not our position, the only logical conclusion is that you are a lying twat.

(June 2, 2018 at 8:12 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 7:48 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Because you cannot get something of this sophistication out of thin air.  It is even more special than I describe but I try to put it into words we all can understand.

You can get it from organic chemistry, though.

This level of sophistication is not from some blind and dumb chemistry.

And one of the major problems with the majority of theists is that they are so scientifically illiterate that when a doofus proclaims intelligent design by erroneously coupling a few scientific words with god, those theists who cannot properly comprehend real science automatically accept the silly proclamations merely on fallible faith.

(June 2, 2018 at 8:33 am)Mathilda Wrote: So are we going to celebrate once we reach 400 pages?

I'm beginning to wonder if we'll reach 500.

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(June 2, 2018 at 8:16 am)Kit Wrote:

(June 2, 2018 at 8:12 am)CDF47 Wrote: Because you cannot get something of this sophistication out of thin air.  It is even more special than I describe but I try to put it into words we all can understand.

Yet, that is precisely what man has done.  He has imaginatively created a god and claimed its sophistication out of thin air.

No, God is the truth.

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(June 2, 2018 at 8:18 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(June 1, 2018 at 8:09 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Wrong.  The universe and everything in it looks designed because it is designed.  We infer design all the time.  Just here it is really easy to infer design, unless one cannot see.

It's an error to infer Zeus from lightning when you know what really causes lighting. We have a natural explanation for the origin of DNA. It's called RNA world. And has been pointed out before, RNA is highly complex and can form spontaneously in a solution with the right temperature and compounds present. And there's a logical path to self-replicating RNA, and from that to an evolutionary path guided by natural selection to DNA.

It's the 21st century and your idea of God is an inflated Zeus.

This does not explain the sophistication of the functional highly sophisticated design of DNA.

(June 2, 2018 at 7:22 am)CDF47 Wrote: No, you are the one that has faith that "poof" everything now exists.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to really believe that what you just said is an accurate description of our position. If you're not that stupid, you're being a disingenuous weasel.

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(June 2, 2018 at 7:43 am)CDF47 Wrote: Armies of scientists have been working on evidence for a century and more and more things appear designed.

The armies of scientists actually working on that evidence disagree with you about that.