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RE: After birth abortion?
August 13, 2018 at 12:36 pm
(August 13, 2018 at 12:09 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 8, 2018 at 11:30 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Pro-life logic: All humans are potentially dead, therefore there's no difference between being alive and being dead. So killing people is fine.
Uh, what?
Neo in particular, and pro-lifers in general like to make the claim that a fetus is a potential human being just like a born child is and ignore the very real differences that exist between both a fetus and a newborn, as well as the respective rights of each, effectively claiming that a potential X is and should be treated the same as an actual X. So I was parodying that logic by showing the result when applied to life and death. It's called a reductio ad absurdum argument. If the logic one is employing leads to an absurd result, then the logic is flawed. Thus Neo and pro-lifers who argue in this way are not making a valid argument.
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RE: After birth abortion?
August 13, 2018 at 12:57 pm
A human fetus is human. No "potential" necessary.
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RE: After birth abortion?
August 13, 2018 at 1:06 pm
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Quote:A human fetus is human. No "potential" necessary.
Nope only "potential" Jorm is right .
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RE: After birth abortion?
August 13, 2018 at 1:06 pm
(August 13, 2018 at 12:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: A human fetus is human. No "potential" necessary.
So are toenail clippings, warts and cancerous growths.
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RE: After birth abortion?
August 13, 2018 at 1:27 pm
Human, but not a human.
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RE: After birth abortion?
August 13, 2018 at 1:37 pm
(August 13, 2018 at 12:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: A human fetus is human. No "potential" necessary.
That's nothing more than a semantic argument, and doesn't address the substance of the argument. Try actually addressing the argument rather than the expression of it.
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RE: After birth abortion?
August 13, 2018 at 1:39 pm
(August 13, 2018 at 12:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: A human fetus is human. No "potential" necessary.
You have no concern at all that you are over ruling the Lord God Almighty on this subject ??
Genesis 2:7 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
7 then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground,[a] and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.
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RE: After birth abortion?
August 13, 2018 at 3:35 pm
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(August 13, 2018 at 1:37 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: (August 13, 2018 at 12:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: A human fetus is human. No "potential" necessary.
That's nothing more than a semantic argument, and doesn't address the substance of the argument. Try actually addressing the argument rather than the expression of it.
What? My point was that my argument isn't that a human fetus is a "potential human" in the first place. That was a strawman you created. (I don't even know what that means, honestly. Either a particular organism is a human, or it isn't.)
My argument is that a human fetus IS a human being, just as much as a human infant, human toddler, human child, human teenager, human adult, etc... and so as a human, he/she has the same right to life as a human being in all other stages of life. That is my argument.
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RE: After birth abortion?
August 13, 2018 at 3:42 pm
(August 13, 2018 at 1:39 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: (August 13, 2018 at 12:57 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: A human fetus is human. No "potential" necessary.
You have no concern at all that you are over ruling the Lord God Almighty on this subject ??
Genesis 2:7 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSVCE)
7 then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground,[a] and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and the man became a living being.
I don't think that this conflicts in the way that you think (or says what you think it says)! However, I believe that an unborn baby is alive and that abortion is killing something. Don't you? I wouldn't have thought that this would controversial.
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RE: After birth abortion?
August 13, 2018 at 3:59 pm
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Quote:What? My point was that my argument isn't that a human fetus is a "potential human" in the first place. That was a strawman you created. (I don't even know what that means, honestly. Either a particular organism is a human, or it isn't.)
My argument is that a human fetus IS a human being, just as much as a human infant, human toddler, human child, human teenager, human adult, etc... and so as a human, he/she has the same right to life as a human being in all other stages of life. That is my argument.
Nope Jorms right again it's semantics
Quote:I don't think that this conflicts in the way that you think (or says what you think it says)! However, I believe that an unborn baby is alive and that abortion is killing something. Don't you? I wouldn't have thought that this would controversial.
Tell that to your god
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