That attitude is also why trumped has peaked and will go out in handcuffs, and his echo chamber facilitators will be marginalized, criminal conspirators thrown in jail, and your contemptible kind discredited as not merely superstitious uneducated morons, but also utterly cynical and unscrupulously venal moral reprobates, in the eyes of the next generation.  It is the nagging fear of those redeeming outcomes, the only things which could give this republic any faint hope of salvation, that causes you to be here and put on your snide attitude by way of denial.

Quote:You're not following the discussion. Jorm is suggesting that Mueller take other - political - factors into consideration, yet claiming that doing so wouldn't be political.

No she's not

Quote:Shuv it up you're Covfefe.

No he does not want your sloppy seconds 

Quote:Seriously though, how do you disregard Tiz and others, yet nitpick me? This attitude is part of why Trump won.

Because were right and your not. The attitude of correcting idiots and not falling for bullshit Trump apologetic is why Trump won ? tell me another

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(August 27, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: That attitude is also why trumped has peaked and will go out in handcuffs, and his echo chamber facilitators will be marginalized, criminal conspirators thrown in jail, and your sort discredited as not merely superstitious uneducated morons, but also utterly unscrupulous venal moral reprobates, in the eyes of the next generation.  It is the nagging fear of those redeeming outcomes, the only things which could give this republic any faint hope of salvation, that causes you to be here and put on your snide attitude by way of denial.

Way better then mine 

(August 27, 2018 at 9:25 am)alpha male Wrote:

(August 27, 2018 at 8:42 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: You can double down on your prior characterization all you want, unless you can explain how doing so would be inconsistent with Mueller's mandate as special prosecutor then your characterization is baseless.

Thought the reasoning was obvious. If it's not political, he should release the results when he's satisfied that there complete. Things like Kavanaufh and Sessions aren't relevant.

When he's satisfied that what is complete? His mandate is far ranging and open ended. There is no specific endpoint. So your objection is unclear at best. Second, everything that anyone thinks is true is "obvious" to them. You and Neo seem to think saying that is sufficient to establish something as grounded. If you can't explain your reasoning better than that, you're not worth listening to, and are likely just a deluded partisan conflating "undesirable" with inappropriate or unethical. Mueller's mandate is to investigate and prosecute any crimes he discovers. If the latter part of that mandate provides incentives for filing specific charges at a specific time, so be it. When he first discovered information leading him to believe that Manafort was guilty of specific crimes, he didn't just simply stop. He pursued the matter until he was satisfied that he could successfully prosecute the matter. That is his mandate. I think you're confusing what is in the interest of yourself with what Mueller's interests should be.

(August 27, 2018 at 12:45 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: When he's satisfied that what is complete?

His full investigation, or a part which is ready for prosecution. Again, kinda obvious.

Quote:His mandate is far ranging and open ended.  There is no specific endpoint.  So your objection is unclear at best.

Er, yes, "when he's satisfied" of completion doesn't give a specific date, but it does give a criterion - completion - that isn't political in nature.

Quote:Second, everything that anyone thinks is true is "obvious" to them.  You and Neo seem to think saying that is sufficient to establish something as grounded.

I think the fact that you included political criteria was obvious to a reasonable reader.

Quote:If you can't explain your reasoning better than that, you're not worth listening to, and are likely just a deluded partisan conflating "undesirable" with inappropriate or unethical.

Feel free to put me on ignore.

Quote:Mueller's mandate is to investigate and prosecute any crimes he discovers.  If the latter part of that mandate provides incentives for filing specific charges at a specific time, so be it.  When he first discovered information leading him to believe that Manafort was guilty of specific crimes, he didn't just simply stop.  He pursued the matter until he was satisfied that he could successfully prosecute the matter.  That is his mandate.  I think you're confusing what is in the interest of yourself with what Mueller's interests should be.

I think you're now making my argument for me. With Manafort, he prosecuted when he thought the investigation was complete, not when it might have political effects.

(August 27, 2018 at 12:54 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(August 27, 2018 at 12:45 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: If you can't explain your reasoning better than that, you're not worth listening to, and are likely just a deluded partisan conflating "undesirable" with inappropriate or unethical.

Feel free to put me on ignore.  

I'm not going to put you on ignore, but I will, and others should, ignore your reasoning here if you can't even explain it.

Your criterion, completion, is just you repeating your prior unclear statement. When is his investigation complete?

Rosenstein's letter appointing Mueller as special counsel says that, "If the Special Counsel believes it is necessary and appropriate, the Special Counsel is authorized to prosecute federal crimes arising from the investigation of these matters." So the discretion as to when it is necessary and appropriate is fully Mueller's. If it is necessary to prosecute Trump prior to or after certain events of a political nature, such as the midterms, in order to effectively carry out that prosecution, he has that discretion.

Moreover, prosecutors' decisions are driven by such considerations as a matter of course, as pointed out in my original reply. The fact that such decisions take political realities into account does not in and of itself make those decisions political. If you're suggesting that Mueller should deviate from common practice, you need something better than that it's obvious to you that he should.

Now, unless you've got some other argument than "because I said so," then I think we're done here.

(August 27, 2018 at 1:14 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: The fact that such decisions take political realities into account does not in and of itself make those decisions political.

Enough said.

(August 27, 2018 at 1:29 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(August 27, 2018 at 1:14 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: The fact that such decisions take political realities into account does not in and of itself make those decisions political.

Enough said.  

Whatever, Gumby. Apparently you don't understand the difference between taking political realities into account and a decision being political. That's sad.

It is a cognitive dissonance inculcated at a fundamental level by the slimy Christian persecution complex.

When witches are burned at the stake by Christians, it is absolute morality handed down from god.  When Christians are prevented from burning witches at stake, it is Christians being persecuted and freedom of religion being infringed.

If there are nonchristians, all true Christians will still find themselves being persecuted by all other true Christians.   The only way for Christians to not be persecuted is to ensure there are no Christians.

(August 27, 2018 at 1:42 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(August 27, 2018 at 1:29 pm)alpha male Wrote: Enough said.  

Whatever, Gumby.  Apparently you don't understand the difference between taking political realities into account and a decision being political.  That's sad.

It's Beta Fail this is a man who if given the choice of a man who would chop him to pieces and a man who would chop him to pieces then fry him up and eat him .He thinks the "lesser of two evils "is a good decision as oppose to telling them both to go to hell .

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(August 27, 2018 at 1:51 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: It is a cognitive dissonance inculcated at a fundamental level by the slimy Christian persecution complex.

When witches are burned at the stake by Christians, it is absolute morality handed down from god.  When Christians are prevented from burning witches at stake, it is Christians being persecuted and freedom of religion being infringed.

If there are nonchristians, all true Christians will still find themselves being persecuted by all other true Christians.   The only way for Christians to not be persecuted is to ensure there are no Christians.

That or letting them form an absolutist state .But i doubt even that would make them happy .

(August 27, 2018 at 1:42 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:

(August 27, 2018 at 1:29 pm)alpha male Wrote: Enough said.  

Whatever, Gumby.  Apparently you don't understand the difference between taking political realities into account and a decision being political.  That's sad.

You only need to take political realities into account when making political decisions.