(September 8, 2018 at 11:03 am)CapnAwesome Wrote:

(September 8, 2018 at 10:23 am)Chad32 Wrote: Colin Kapernick is doing Nike ads, and people are burning shoes. Of course this is related to the whole kneeling thing, and I feel like venting.

I don't know what football has to do with soldiers, or what people think the soldiers are fighting and dying for, but apparently the first amendment freedoms don't make that list. If you think soldiers are fighting for freedom, why isn't free speech and protest included? If that's not what you think they're fighting for, as it relates to people kneeling, then what is it? Protests don't do much good if they're not public, and don't force people to stop and think. I know it's a private business, and they have a job to do, but if the restaurant I worked at suddenly started telling us to stand and salute the flag, or sing the national anthem before our shift, people would have a problem.

It annoys me that people who will scream about the second amendment skip the first. all those amendment that are put there to protect us from the powerful, and limit what our government can do, get real inconvenient when your guy is in power, but you forget that we don't always have a president that aligns with your personal beliefs, and we shouldn't turn our constitution on and off depending on whatever our side is in power or not.

I know the country is messed up. I know we're not really a representative democracy anymore. I just feel like venting every once in a while, even though I already know why things are the way they are.

I'm not sure that burning Nikes is the same as saying that someone doesn't have the right to free speech. I mean you can't get inside the minds of every person, so the motives are probably diverse, hut I think they are mostly saying they don't like Colin whatever his name is. ( I don't watch football, or in general care about any of this. )

That would be like me saying that you don't support free speech either, because you think people don't have a right to burn Nikes.

In reality I suspect that's not what you are saying, but rather that you don't like those people or don't like what they are doing. It not the same

Also isn't it ironic that I would wager most people who think YouTube can censor Alex Jones (because somehow it's not censorship if corporation does it) don't think the NFL should be allowed to censor their employees at work.

So I just see a bunch of hypocrisy on both sides with no moral consistency whatsoever.

Yeah, it's not so much about the nikes. Do whatever you want to things you bought. But they're vilifying Colin for exercising a basic American right. As for censoring Alex Jones, I imagine it's because he's a wacko, but he's far from the only one. I'm not sure why they targeted him specifically, since I didn't pay attention to any stories about it, or the recent thread here.

Go Nikes!

(September 8, 2018 at 10:23 am)Chad32 Wrote: Colin Kapernick is doing Nike ads, and people are burning shoes. Of course this is related to the whole kneeling thing, and I feel like venting.

I don't know what football has to do with soldiers, or what people think the soldiers are fighting and dying for, but apparently the first amendment freedoms don't make that list. If you think soldiers are fighting for freedom, why isn't free speech and protest included?

Free speech is included. They, you or anyone can kneel or say whatever you like. But if other people think you're an asshole for so doing, they can call you an asshole. Or if you're trying to sell entertainment or shoes, people can buy or not buy as they please.

WTF do you act like people protesting the protesters are any different?

(September 8, 2018 at 11:33 am)alpha male Wrote: WTF do you act like people protesting the protesters are any different?

Because those protestors find a shoe ad controversial while they don't care about mass shootings.

Kids being molested by the Church. Yeah, let's not make a fuss about that.

(September 8, 2018 at 11:38 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(September 8, 2018 at 11:33 am)alpha male Wrote: WTF do you act like people protesting the protesters are any different?

Because those protestors find a shoe ad controversial while they don't care about mass shootings.

It's really no wonder that the country has gone so Republican.

(September 8, 2018 at 11:43 am)alpha male Wrote: It's really no wonder that the country has gone so Republican.

How do you figure? Please, elaborate.

(September 8, 2018 at 11:44 am)Kit Wrote:

(September 8, 2018 at 11:43 am)alpha male Wrote: It's really no wonder that the country has gone so Republican.

How do you figure?  Please, elaborate.

The topic is free speech. The response is, you don't care about mass shootings. Figure it out for yourself. 

(September 8, 2018 at 11:33 am)alpha male Wrote:

(September 8, 2018 at 10:23 am)Chad32 Wrote: Colin Kapernick is doing Nike ads, and people are burning shoes. Of course this is related to the whole kneeling thing, and I feel like venting.

I don't know what football has to do with soldiers, or what people think the soldiers are fighting and dying for, but apparently the first amendment freedoms don't make that list. If you think soldiers are fighting for freedom, why isn't free speech and protest included?

Free speech is included. They, you or anyone can kneel or say whatever you like. But if other people think you're an asshole for so doing, they can call you an asshole. Or if you're trying to sell entertainment or shoes, people can buy or not buy as they please.

WTF do you act like people protesting the protesters are any different?

You are not getting it asshole. The president SHOULD NOT be in his position demanding blind loyalty. He is in a position of public power. It is propaganda designed to create a climate of blind loyalty.

Neither the Anthem or the pledge are mandated by law nor should they be. When you talk like it should be forced by law, which he is, then you are in the red zone of despotic behavior.

YOU are not getting the point of why the players are doing it. If you did get it, you'd be on the right side of history. But instead, you only care about sucking the dick of a fucking bigot.

America is strange!