(September 13, 2018 at 2:47 pm)alpha male Wrote: Ooh, someone's butt seems to be hurtin'... 

Yeah, I was thinking that about your whole thread.

(September 13, 2018 at 3:08 pm)alpha male Wrote: You don't seem to have any empathy for people who have a different political view from your own...

Projection. YOU don't have empathy for anyone, I suspect. 
I stated why I dislike you, and it had nothing to do with your political views. It has to do with your actual behavior.  You are mean, cruel, contrary, dishonest, selfish, somewhat racist, largely sexist, and you enjoy the pain of others to the point of causing it on purpose.  What has any of that to do with politics??  That's just you being a asshat and loving it.


I don't care what your political views are, I care what your views on humanity are.  And yours are selfish and demonstrably sociopathic.  I know some Trump voters that I actually like as people.  There are numerous conservatives that I like, IRL and here on this forum.  Mr. Brewer for example.  My best friend from High School is conservative, and guess what?  I don't like seeing her suffer.  And we are still friends.

Like most sociopaths, you simply project your monstrous ideals onto others.

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Quote:USSIA INVESTIGATION
TRUMP ATTORNEY RUDY GIULIANI, citing a “60 day run-up to 2018 elections”: “If Mueller wants to show he’s not partisan, then issue a report on collusion and obstruction. They will show President Trump did nothing wrong.” — tweet Aug. 25.
THE FACTS: He’s wrong in suggesting there is a 60-day cutoff date before the Nov. 6 midterm elections, which came Friday, for Mueller to wrap up the Russia investigation.

Quote:KAVANAUGH HEARINGS
DEMOCRATIC SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR of Minnesota, asking about Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh’s views on the scope of a president’s executive power: “I’m asking about your position that you stated in this law review article that a president should be not subject to investigations while in office. You’re only saying that they should be subject to investigation as part of an impeachment (proceeding by Congress) and that there’s no other investigation that could occur? Is that fair?” — Senate hearing Wednesday.
KAVANAUGH: “No. ... On criminal investigation and prosecution, I did not take a position on the constitutionality. Period.”
THE FACTS: His claim is highly questionable, based on his past writings.

Quote:WASHINGTON (AP) — President Donald Trump is exaggerating the numbers when citing his overall job approval ratings.
In a tweet Sunday, Trump boasted of poll numbers that showed 52 percent of all Americans approved of his performance in office, in spite of the “fake news media.”
No known poll exists showing such high ratings.
A look at the claim:
TRUMP: “Over 90% approval rating for your all time favorite (I hope) President within the Republican Party and 52% overall. This despite all of the made up stories by the Fake News Media trying endlessly to make me look as bad and evil as possible. Look at the real villains please!” — tweet Sunday.
THE FACTS: He’s wrong in regard to polls citing his overall job ratings.

Get off your high horse. I posted an article from a mainstream source, nothing more. You came in accusing me of dodging issues before I put up an emoji.

You try to dish it out, but you certainly can't take it. Then the classic liberal you're a meanie  charge and armchair psychology. Very textbook.

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But if you'd like me to have empathy...is there some major issue in your life right now that I'm not aware of and could help me understand you better? Because your reaction isn't that of a rational adult.

Quote:TRUMP, citing concerns of a “perjury trap”: “So if I say something and he (former FBI director James Comey) says something, and it’s my word against his, and he’s best friends with Mueller, so Mueller might say: ‘Well, I believe Comey,’ and even if I’m telling the truth, that makes me a liar. That’s no good.” — interview with Reuters published Aug. 20.
RUDY GIULIANI, TRUMP’S ATTORNEY: “I am not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury.” — remarks Aug. 19 on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
THE FACTS: They’re making a disingenuous claim. Both Trump and his lawyers point to a threat of perjury charges, even as Giuliani has maintained that Mueller’s team indicated the special counsel had ruled out the possibility of indicting Trump.

Quote:TRUMP: “You know, they kept saying I had a problem with the women’s vote; I get 52 percent in the election.” — remarks Friday in Columbus, Ohio.
THE FACTS: No. Trump appears to be citing a figure pertaining to white women only.
Among all women, about 54 percent nationally voted for Democrat Hillary Clinton in 2016, according to exit polls, compared with Trump’s 41 percent.

Quote:TRUMP: “Michael Cohen plead guilty to two counts of campaign finance violations that are not a crime.” — tweet Wednesday.

THE FACTS: False. The campaign finance violations are crimes. While it’s not a crime to pay someone to keep quiet, the Justice Department says the hush money payments arranged by Cohen to conceal allegations of Trump’s extramarital affairs were actually unreported campaign contributions meant to influence the outcome of the election.

Quote:TRUMP: “A large number of counts, ten, could not even be decided in the Paul Manafort case. Witch Hunt!” — tweet Wednesday.

THE FACTS: The jury’s lack of consensus on 10 of 18 counts hardly makes Manafort an innocent man, or supports the notion that Mueller’s investigation is a “witch hunt.” Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, was found guilty on eight counts, including filing false tax returns and two bank fraud charges that will almost certainly guarantee years of prison for him.

Quote:TRUMP: “Bill DeBlasio, the high taxing Mayor of NYC, just stole my campaign slogan: PROMISES MADE PROMISES KEPT! That’s not at all nice. No imagination!” — tweet Tuesday.
TRUMP: “‘Promises Made, Promises Kept.’ They’re copying it now, the Democrats.” — West Virginia rally Tuesday.
THE FACTS: Trump is a slogan copycat himself. His slogan about promises made and kept was used by President Barack Obama in his 2012 campaign. Republican John Engler used it when he ran for re-election as Michigan governor in 1994.
“Make America Great Again” was used by President Ronald Reagan, preceded by “Let’s.”

Quote:TRUMP: “I want clean air. I want crystal clean water. And we’ve got it. We’ve got the cleanest country in the planet right now. There’s nobody cleaner than us.” — West Virginia rally Tuesday.

THE FACTS: The United States does not have the cleanest air on Earth. Not even close.

Quote:TRUMP: “It is the biggest tax cut in the history of our country and you people are benefiting by it.” — West Virginia rally Tuesday.
THE FACTS: This biggest-ever claim has become one of the president’s favorite fabrications.
His tax cuts are nowhere close to the biggest in U.S. history.

Quote:TRUMP, praising Immigration and Customs Enforcement: “To hear some of the stories going on with MS-13, you wouldn’t believe it. And they’re doing an incredible job. They’re actually liberating towns.” — remarks Aug. 20.
TRUMP: “A vote for any Democrat in November is a vote to eliminate immigration enforcement, throw open our borders and set loose vicious predators and violent criminals. They’ll be all over our communities. They will be preying on our communities.” — West Virginia rally Tuesday.
THE FACTS: Trump suggests that weak border enforcement is contributing to crime committed by MS-13. But the gang actually has many U.S.-born members at this point — people who by virtue of U.S. citizenship can’t be denied entry based on their nationality, or deported. The government has not said recently how many members it thinks are citizens and immigrants. In notable raids on MS-13 in 2015 and 2016, most of the people caught were found to be U.S. citizens.

Quote:TRUMP: “We have MS-13 on the run. They’ve poured in here with Obama, we have them on the run.” — remarks Tuesday.

THE FACTS: There’s no evidence that MS-13 gangs “poured in” during the Obama administration. The Justice Department has said there are about 10,000 MS-13 members in the U.S., the same number as more than a decade ago.

Quote:TRUMP: “The new platform of the Democrat Party is to abolish ICE.” — remarks Friday in Columbus, Ohio.
TRUMP: “Leading members of the Democrat Party have even launched a campaign to abolish ICE. In other words, they want to abolish America’s borders.” — remarks Aug. 20.
THE FACTS: While some Democrats in the House and Senate have raised the prospect of eliminating Immigration and Customs Enforcement, no top Democrats in the House or Senate have called for such a move. Those Democrats who have expressed openness to eliminating ICE have said they would not abandon border enforcement, which is largely carried out by Customs and Border Protection.

Holy shit guys, and this is only SOME of the stuff going back just to August 27th. Just 2 weeks of lies upon lies.  Not even many half truths in here, this is just pages of straight up lies. 

Trump lies from AP news through Aug 27th

Huh.  Who'd have thought that AM would bring up a handful of mild dishonesties by Obama from a news organization while ignoring the literal pages and pages of lies told by Trump?  Who'd have thunk it?  Really, what an effing shocker!

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I can keep going.  IS this my thread now?  We'll see tomorrow.  I didn't actually realize how many lies there were from Trump every day!! IT is a mountain of bullshit!

Tomorrow I'll post some more Trump Fact checks from AP. Sound good?  This thread should live on. Or I might create a new thread.  I don't want to...derail...this one. 

OP: Why should I care? Stop living in the past. 

Or don't. Give us a fact check on Bill Clinton.

Quote:OBAMA: “The actions we took during that crisis returned the economy to healthy growth and initiated the longest streak of job creation on record.” — Illinois rally.

THE FACTS: He’s right on jobs, but whether the economy experienced “healthy growth” is a matter of dispute.

As measured by the gross domestic product, the broadest measure of the economy’s output, the U.S. economy expanded at an average annual rate of 2.2 percent from 2010, after the Great Recession ended, through 2016, Obama’s last year in office. That is the weakest growth of any post-recession recovery since World War II.

(September 13, 2018 at 3:08 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(September 13, 2018 at 2:56 pm)Aroura Wrote: Indeed. I am actually upset that people like you must always point fingers away and cannot look in a mirror and see the flaws. It is far beyond butt hurt, it is exceedingly distressing to watcha man dny facts and lie pretty much daily and so many people eat it up while pointing out the mild dishonesty and half truths of others.  I cannot even express the level of my distress that you find this important, but defend Trump on basically every lie he tells.

Replace "you" with "the AP" in the above and see how much sense it makes. They're the ones who did the research and wrote the article you know. 

Quote:And look who enjoys it! You like to upset people. You get JOY from other people's pain.  Look at that smiley as you revel in it. You wiggle in glee.  You like Trump because he hurts people, you like how he makes other people cry.  Oooh, you enjoy those tears, sweet sweet tears, you say.  You yourself like to hurt people. You lap it up.

Yeah, liberal tears are pretty tasty!

Quote:Oh, hey hey, you know what people who lack empathy are called?
Besides President of course.  We all know sociopaths get ahead in life.  Someone to look up to.  Maybe if you try hard enough you can get to that level of self centered-ness and lack of caring for other people.  

I'll stay a bleeding heart liberal, thanks.  Like Jesus. I like caring about other people and not going out of my way to cause distress.  Notice I'm not on a Christian forum telling them names.


I wish people who have lost their empathy could regain it, but studies show that once gone, it's gone. You can kind of learn to fake it.  Might be worth a try?  Well, it's not as fun, though, is it?

Crawl back under your rock asshole.  Your assholerly is exhausting, as if there isn't enough of it in the world.

You don't seem to have any empathy for people who have a different political view from your own...

Didn't you say you were leaving after calling this place a bad habit in that christer circle-jerk thread?

Don't let it hit ya.

(September 13, 2018 at 3:14 pm)alpha male Wrote:

(September 13, 2018 at 3:10 pm)Aroura Wrote: I could fill pages with these fact checks. 

Minimalist already does, every day. One thread about a Democrat and your butt's sore.

I'm glad you posted this article. I learned some new stuff. But I think it's crucial to recognize that the two men are not equal in their lies or how their administration operated. Trump really is worse in that regard, it's important to acknowledge that. If you're going to be objective.

The White House says it has sped up the recovery. The facts say it hasn’t.

Quote:Which brings us to the best argument that Trump could make about his administration’s effect on the economy: that all the fiscal stimulus he’s thrown into it has kept job growth from slowing down and, for a few quarters at least, made GDP growth speed up. The idea is that we’d expect growth to be lower when unemployment is down because there aren’t as many people left to put back to work. But that hasn’t been the case so far, and Trump’s big $1.5 trillion tax cut probably deserves some of the credit — just not for the reason that the administration wants us to believe.

What’s happened so far is that the tax cuts have boosted the economy in the short term by giving wealthy shareholders more money, but there’s little evidence they’ve boosted growth in the long-term, like the administration said they would, by giving companies more incentives to invest.

If those investments never materialize, then this will have been a one-off increase in growth, just a poorly designed stimulus that shoved more money into the pockets of the people least likely to spend it.

Instead of admitting that, though, the Trump administration is playing games with numbers. Its favorite tricks are to measure things from the day Trump was elected (while Obama was still in office) and to show 1½-year averages instead of monthly numbers — even for things that aren’t very volatile, such as prime-age employment. The result, as you can see below from the Council of Economic Advisers' latest report, is almost enough to make a trend that hasn’t changed look like it might actually have changed — ever so slightly, if you squint or, even better, have bad eyesight.

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(September 13, 2018 at 2:38 pm)alpha male Wrote: OBAMA: “Their sabotage of the Affordable Care Act has already cost more than 3 million Americans their health insurance. And if they’re still in power next fall, you better believe they’re coming at it again. They’ve said so.” -- Illinois rally.

THE FACTS: Obama is cherry-picking survey results, overlooking a recent estimate from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that found the number of uninsured Americans basically unchanged under Trump.

He’s also blaming Republicans for all the problems with health insurance, ignoring the fact that premiums started going up sharply under his watch.

Rates of uninsured in US hold steady at historic low 8.8 percent

Quote:The rate of Americans without insurance held steady at a historic low of 8.8 percent in the first year of President Donald Trump's administration, according to a new report from the U.S. Census bureau.

The data paint a picture of stable health insurance coverage, across both private and government health plans, in a year that saw repeated efforts by the White House and Republicans in Congress to repeal Obamacare and to roll back provisions for the expansion of Medicaid.

Yet, it was the first year since the full implementation of the Affordable Care Act that did not see a drop in the uninsured rate. From 2013 to 2017 the national uninsured rate dropped 4.5 percentage points.

Quote:The big question now is how the Trump administration and Republicans in Congress will change coverage over the next year.

"It's quite possible we'll start to see the uninsured rate climb over the coming year as changes from the Trump administration and Congress take hold, especially repeal of the individual mandate penalty," Levitt said.

The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act passed nearly a year ago repealed the individual penalty for not having health coverage starting in 2019. The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that measure will result in 3 million people losing their coverage next year.

Quote:Ooh, someone's butt seems to be hurtin'

Funny considering that's what this whole thread and your comments on it seem like butt hurt that the clown you voted for is exposed for what he is .So you lash out at Obama a guy who isn't even in charge .

Quote:You don't seem to have any empathy for people who have a different political view from your own

You confuse a different  views with being an asshole  learn the difference

Quote:Yeah, liberal tears are pretty tasty!

 Nah Conservative tears that compel them to whine about  how the evil Liberals are picking on them are much tastier

Quote:Minimalist already does, every day. One thread about a Democrat and your butt's sore. 

 Once again nope this thread is an expression of your butt hurt that Min rightly exposes your embarrassment of a leader and this is your impotent lashing out .