(September 23, 2011 at 5:11 pm)Castle Wrote: It's denied from their onesided thinking and rarely see much outside their box. I hear atheist claim themsevle as freedom thinkers. Some of the religious types are over peaching , who likes that.yet one that are not, by far most spiritual related get heckle to the point you don't hear what they are saying, then sharing is not happening.

Atheist like Religion see what they want to see and hear what they want to hear. I have million of fans to share with, I have the ability to entertain and get my point across and feel this well enough ion other forums. The other thing is, I have run out time and too busy on this off grid eco village.

(September 23, 2011 at 11:33 am)Castle Wrote: I do not know how you can read Einstein's hundreds of spiritual and God quotes and then think he has no form of god or spirit.
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To me thats, would be like saying Religion is not the largest topic on this Atheist forum or Dawkins is deeply religious like Einstein.
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I have a 90 year close old friend in Mexico who was a student of Einstein in the US. From his second hand experience he ensures me that Einstein is strongly spiritual and believes in god in his own way (like myself).

Quote:Letter to Eric Gutkind (partial)
Albert Einstein (1954)
Translated from the German by Joan Stambaugh

... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them.

In general I find it painful that you claim a privileged position and try to defend it by two walls of pride, an external one as a man and an internal one as a Jew. As a man you claim, so to speak, a dispensation from causality otherwise accepted, as a Jew the priviliege of monotheism. But a limited causality is no longer a causality at all, as our wonderful Spinoza recognized with all incision, probably as the first one. And the animistic interpretations of the religions of nature are in principle not annulled by monopolisation. With such walls we can only attain a certain self-deception, but our moral efforts are not furthered by them. On the contrary.

Now that I have quite openly stated our differences in intellectual convictions it is still clear to me that we are quite close to each other in essential things, ie in our evalutations of human behaviour. What separates us are only intellectual 'props' and `rationalisation' in Freud's language. Therefore I think that we would understand each other quite well if we talked about concrete things.

With friendly thanks and best wishes

Yours, A. Einstein.
http://www.relativitybook.com/resources/...igion.html

(September 23, 2011 at 6:15 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Us or him?

(September 23, 2011 at 3:24 pm)Castle Wrote: Any last words before I leave this forum.

(September 23, 2011 at 8:18 pm)Rhythm Wrote: He has moments of lucidity.