They should report it  ASAP, preferably without washing (I know its traumatic having the filth of the rapist on the body, but it gives more chance to nail the beast), and work with the authorities intensely. If who can't be answered, give them where and how. This is most important if one seek justice.

Another thing. Give the victyms conseling, shelter if needed or relocation. Inprison the bastards. And get rid of millionaire money settlements, go for the courts to get them behind bars. Its a denegation of justice to accept mucho money for being raped.

This does not happen in Portugal. A raped woman might get 100k euros or something, at the conviction. Rape is a public crime and it can't be settled by the victym and perpetrator. You can even press charges if you are a third party withness. Even if the victym does not.

I am no woman, but If I was gang raped by a bunch of guys, there would be no money that could pay for that. Hell, even prison for them wouldn't.

(October 11, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Mermaid Wrote:

(October 11, 2018 at 9:55 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: They should report it (and early).  Any evidence should be collected, and it should proceed as the evidence allows.

In a perfect world. But women are blamed, doubted, shamed, ridiculed for it. Even the POTUS does this.

Well, I'm against such things. I also think that what the President has said, is often being exaggerated and distorted for politcal reasons.
However even if no one believes them (because of lack of evidence), it's still best to have it reported and any evidence gathered early. Have it on record at least. But people should not be shamed unless their is evidence of wrong doing on their part.

(October 11, 2018 at 1:02 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(October 11, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Mermaid Wrote: In a perfect world. But women are blamed, doubted, shamed, ridiculed for it. Even the POTUS does this.

Well, I'm against such things.   I also think that what the President has said, is often being exaggerated and distorted for politcal reasons.
However even if no one believes them (because of lack of evidence), it's still best to have it reported and any evidence gathered early.  Have it on record at least.  But people should not be shamed unless their is evidence of wrong doing on their part.

I doubt there are many people who don't agree with this. 

The reality of what actually happens is different though. I urge anyone to try to imagine why a woman would be sexually assaulted and then not report it.

(October 11, 2018 at 1:02 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(October 11, 2018 at 12:34 pm)Mermaid Wrote: In a perfect world. But women are blamed, doubted, shamed, ridiculed for it. Even the POTUS does this.

Well, I'm against such things.   I also think that what the President has said, is often being exaggerated and distorted for politcal reasons.
However even if no one believes them (because of lack of evidence), it's still best to have it reported and any evidence gathered early.  Have it on record at least.  But people should not be shamed unless their is evidence of wrong doing on their part.

"evidence of wrong doing on their part" are we still talking rape victims here?

what wrong doing? being drunk while in charge of a vagina.?

(October 11, 2018 at 1:06 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(October 11, 2018 at 1:02 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Well, I'm against such things.   I also think that what the President has said, is often being exaggerated and distorted for politcal reasons.
However even if no one believes them (because of lack of evidence), it's still best to have it reported and any evidence gathered early.  Have it on record at least.  But people should not be shamed unless their is evidence of wrong doing on their part.

"evidence of wrong doing on their part" are we still talking rape victims here?

what wrong doing? being drunk while in charge of a vagina.?

I was thinking more like making fraudulent charges against someone.

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(October 11, 2018 at 1:05 pm)Mermaid Wrote:

(October 11, 2018 at 1:02 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Well, I'm against such things.   I also think that what the President has said, is often being exaggerated and distorted for politcal reasons.
However even if no one believes them (because of lack of evidence), it's still best to have it reported and any evidence gathered early.  Have it on record at least.  But people should not be shamed unless their is evidence of wrong doing on their part.

I doubt there are many people who don't agree with this. 

The reality of what actually happens is different though. I urge anyone to try to imagine why a woman would be sexually assaulted and then not report it.

I can understand... but it needs to be realized, that the farther away from the evidence you are, the more difficult it is to do anything about it.  One should also consider reporting it, even if for other people. 

I didn't fact check it, but the daily wire reported about someone who had to go to court for consensual sex, when she later changed her mind.   The Billy Grahm rule is becoming more and more needed all the time, to protect ones self.

Right? And why don't murder visitors report their crimes? Come on, you can dial 911 as you're dying. And what about kids?? Why don't they tell another family member about their uncle that is raping them? Women should be able to put their trauma aside and have their whits about them to get to a police station. Especially if the rapist just threatened her life because he stole her wallet and now knows where she lives. Or knows her well-enough that he threatens her in some other way. jesus, what is wrong with them?

Really? Victim blaming?? Super cool, guys. Super cool.

(October 11, 2018 at 1:08 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote:

(October 11, 2018 at 1:06 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: "evidence of wrong doing on their part" are we still talking rape victims here?

what wrong doing? being drunk while in charge of a vagina.?

I was thinking more like making fraudulent charges against someone.

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(October 11, 2018 at 1:05 pm)Mermaid Wrote: I doubt there are many people who don't agree with this. 

The reality of what actually happens is different though. I urge anyone to try to imagine why a woman would be sexually assaulted and then not report it.

I can understand... but it needs to be realized, that the farther away from the evidence you are, the more difficult it is to do anything about it.  One should also consider reporting it, even if for other people. 

I didn't fact check it, but the daily wire reported about someone who had to go to court for consensual sex, when she later changed her mind.   The Billy Grahm rule is becoming more and more needed all the time, to protect ones self.

But do you see how women are afraid because they will be accused of "wrong doing". You have a culture in the US that seems geared towards shielding rapists and I think it just got a little worse.

(October 11, 2018 at 9:49 am)Divinity Wrote: https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/10/politics/...index.html

In case you were feeling sorry for the fifty cent whore.  She comes out and says that sexual assault victims should't report unless they have evidence.  I'm sure the conservatives on this board will applaud her 'courage' for stating such a stupid fucking thing.  Telling victims they aren't victims without evidence is such an appalling thing to say.  This is where we get rape culture from.

If the  bullies whom broke my nose when I was a teen had not flipped on each other it would have been my word against theirs. But I got an investigation. Women don't report sexual assault because they are afraid nobody will believe them.

(October 11, 2018 at 9:55 am)RoadRunner79 Wrote: They should report it (and early).  Any evidence should be collected, and it should proceed as the evidence allows.

Wow, RR, I'm impressed; especially, with the part about collecting evidence!

(October 11, 2018 at 1:18 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(October 11, 2018 at 1:08 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: I was thinking more like making fraudulent charges against someone.

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I can understand... but it needs to be realized, that the farther away from the evidence you are, the more difficult it is to do anything about it.  One should also consider reporting it, even if for other people. 

I didn't fact check it, but the daily wire reported about someone who had to go to court for consensual sex, when she later changed her mind.   The Billy Grahm rule is becoming more and more needed all the time, to protect ones self.

But do you see how women are afraid because they will be accused of "wrong doing". You have a culture in the US that seems geared towards shielding rapists and I think it just got a little worse.

I don't see a rape culture that is shielding or condoning rapist.  And as I said, I don't think that we should blame the accuser without reason.  I think that this is getting better, and if anything heading to the opposite extreme, as you can see by the name calling and false accusations here.  Ford got an award for coming out.