(November 9, 2018 at 10:58 am)onlinebiker Wrote: When you don't get your way - inflate your data.

What data has been inflated?  Whose way are you referring to?  You have citations..can you point out an example of inflated data? 



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Quote:Gun control proponernts tend to think " anything for the cause" is good.

I'll stop you there.  I'm a gun owner, a super user, no less....since I have a whole walk in closet full of rifles, lol.  I'm a 2nd amendment enthusiast™.  If you searched hard enough...there's actually a picture of me somewhere on the boards wrapped in a green checkered keffiyeh, holding an sks and my infant child.

-Is That Guy

 

Quote:The biggest  lie they tell? " We don't want to take your guns"

Explain this
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/surve...n-all-guns

That's nice, but I don't want to take any of your guns (and no one will ever take any of mine), I want to see you address the sources you asked for, and received..and show me inflated data.

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-there's an easy way for you to check this, for yourself.  Did any of those shootings not occur?  That's the only way of inflating data about how many shootings have occurred.  

Go through a few of them, I'd actually be real interested if you found some made up mass shooting on that list.

(November 9, 2018 at 11:17 am)Khemikal Wrote:

(November 9, 2018 at 10:58 am)onlinebiker Wrote: When you don't get your way - inflate your data.

What data has been inflated?  Whose way are you referring to?  You have citations..can you point out an example of inflated data? 



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Quote:Gun control proponernts tend to think " anything for the cause" is good.

I'll stop you there.  I'm a gun owner, a super user, no less....since I have a whole walk in closet full of rifles, lol.  I'm a 2nd amendment enthusiast™.  If you searched hard enough...there's actually a picture of me somewhere on the boards wrapped in a green checkered keffiyeh, holding an sks and my infant child.  

-Is That Guy

 

Quote:The biggest  lie they tell? " We don't want to take your guns"

Explain this
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/surve...n-all-guns

That's nice, but I don't want to take any of your guns (and no one will ever take any of mine), I want to see you address the sources you asked for, and received..and show me inflated data.

I already did. I can't help it you don't accept my answer...

They lowered the bar as to what constitutes as mass shooting.

That' s my final answer Regis.

Okay, well..let's say that there has been about one "group shooting" a day...then, and a few mass shootings in between those?  People also died in the "group shootings", many more people were wounded and survived.  

You don't think that any of that data has been inflated, and clearly it has nothing to do with nancy pelosi, and regardless of whether or not somebody wants to take your guns..that happened.  The list is full of real people..who were really shot...along with some other folks who were also really shot, lol.

(November 9, 2018 at 11:46 am)Khemikal Wrote: Okay, well..let's say that there has been about one "group shooting" a day...then, and a few mass shootings in between those?  People also died in the "group shootings", many more people were wounded and survived.  

You don't think that any of that data has been inflated, and clearly it has nothing to do with nancy pelosi, and regardless of whether or not somebody wants to take your guns..that happened.  The list is full of real people..who were really shot...along with some other folks who were also really shot, lol.

We simply need to accept objects are living things and humans are simply getting in the way of protecting those objects.

(November 9, 2018 at 11:17 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(November 9, 2018 at 11:14 am)Minimalist Wrote: And yet, evidence that they are not strict enough!

Tell us -  what is???

Ban them.  As they do in Australia and Japan and other civilized countries.

(November 9, 2018 at 6:54 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(November 9, 2018 at 6:51 am)Tizheruk Wrote: How strictly are they enforced ?

Ask the Brady idiots.

They' re the ones that think gun control laws control guns.



Blithering morons, that lot.

Yeah this statement makes zero sense 

(November 8, 2018 at 2:47 pm)onlinebiker Wrote:

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(November 8, 2018 at 2:05 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: You make it illegal and enforce it. It worked very very well here.

In fact everywhere gun control is implemented as a country gun deaths plummet.



So we' re gonna jail everyone who refuses to turn in their guns huh??

Conservatively, you' re talking jailing 10 million people.....


Great plan...


Only - who is going to do it, if you turn in your guns??



So, you'd do it like that, simples.

Where did I say anything about locking them up?
Seizing property is as well thing that can happen, perhaps a fine.

But perhaps don't sell bullets and not sell any new guns. The change wouldn't be immediate but in the future you would have fewer deaths.

Quote:They accuse gun rights people of " being in favor of killing" - simply because gun proponents are in favor of responsible gun owners owning firearms.

Accept a good number of guns rights people are not for " responsible gun owners owning firearms" as many of them go out of their way to undermine any action towards that goal .

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Quote:The biggest  lie they tell? " We don't want to take your guns"

Explain this
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/surve...n-all-guns

Congrats this is totally irrelevant

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Quote:Because people like you want all the guns to go away --- so you pass stupid laws that have little to no effect. Like the 68 gun law that required handgun ammunition to be signed for with ID.

It was finally shitcanned, because according to FBI statistics - not one crime in 40 years had been solved because of it. The paperwork wasn't worth a shit.

And your talking out the NRA's ass .

(November 9, 2018 at 9:39 am)Khemikal Wrote: -we've been averaging very nearly a mass shooting a day for years now.  Most of the victims of mass shootings with high media profile are white.  This is not true of mass shootings as a whole.  None of the people tracked in that database were suicides.  They specifically excluded them.

Quote:22,000 Annual Suicides not included on Daily Summary Ledger

We focus on mass shootings, but the suicides are the bulk, second are domestic violence, third are accidental, then crime outside the home. The truth remains arm more isn't a solution. I am sick of the paranoid fucking crybabies treating prevention as being the same as a presumption of guilt.

And like most gun injuries and deaths, the act starts with a LEGALLY PURCHASED firearm. That says to me we suck as a nation at vetting to prevent even suicides with a firearm.

And I am glad none of these worshipers raised me knowing I suffer from anxiety and depression, I am lucky my mom learned from my drunk dad who shot his 38 with me in the room as a kid. If it were not for her quick action back then in pulling me out of the house, not sure I'd be here today.

Arm more is not a solution. And I never get a good answer if that is their argument, how many firearms would be enough, because we already have 300 million out there already.

(November 9, 2018 at 1:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(November 9, 2018 at 9:39 am)Khemikal Wrote: -we've been averaging very nearly a mass shooting a day for years now.  Most of the victims of mass shootings with high media profile are white.  This is not true of mass shootings as a whole.  None of the people tracked in that database were suicides.  They specifically excluded them.

We focus on mass shootings, but the suicides are the bulk, second are domestic violence, third are accidental, then crime outside the home. The truth remains arm more isn't a solution. I am sick of the paranoid fucking crybabies treating prevention as being the same as a presumption of guilt.

And like most gun injuries and deaths, the act starts with a LEGALLY PURCHASED firearm. That says to me we suck as a nation at vetting to prevent even suicides with a firearm.

And I am glad none of these worshipers raised me knowing I suffer from anxiety and depression, I am lucky my mom learned from my drunk dad who shot his 38 with me in the room as a kid. If it were not for her quick action back then in pulling me out of the house, not sure I'd be here today.

Arm more is not a solution. And I never get a good answer if that is their argument, how many firearms would be enough, because we already have 300 million out there already.

Also considering Suicide is an act of self directed violence it still counts .