(September 28, 2011 at 9:10 am)Stimbo Wrote: So why use the pronoun "he"?

In the French language we apply gender to objects, does this mean we think they are male and female respectively? I apologize for referring to God as 'he', I meant 'it'.

(September 28, 2011 at 9:10 am)Stimbo Wrote: Gravity is also an omnipresent force, one which does control the tides, yet no-one considers it to be anything other than what it is

Could gravity not be the hand of God(s)? Could the laws of physics governing the universe not be the law of God(s)?

(September 28, 2011 at 9:10 am)Stimbo Wrote: What place, then, for the Jesus you believe loves us?

I didn't say I believed in Jesus.

(September 28, 2011 at 9:41 am)Jesuslovesyou Wrote: I didn't say I believed in Jesus.

Then why do you have "Jesuslovesyou" as your profile name?

Calling POE here...

JLY = "Hammertime"

(September 28, 2011 at 9:45 am)Ace Otana Wrote:

(September 28, 2011 at 9:41 am)Jesuslovesyou Wrote: I didn't say I believed in Jesus.

Then why do you have "Jesuslovesyou" as your profile name?

Why do you have Ace Otana as your profile name?

A rose by any other name...

(September 28, 2011 at 10:05 am)Jesuslovesyou Wrote: Why do you have Ace Otana as your profile name?

A rose by any other name...

It's my name. What's your excuse.

(September 28, 2011 at 9:41 am)Jesuslovesyou Wrote:

(September 28, 2011 at 9:10 am)Stimbo Wrote: So why use the pronoun "he"?

In the French language we apply gender to objects, does this mean we think they are male and female respectively? I apologize for referring to God as 'he', I meant 'it'.

Apology accepted. Now all we need to do is work on the other misguided attributions you ascribe to this mysterious force. Oops - I mean Universe.

JLY Wrote:

(September 28, 2011 at 9:10 am)Stimbo Wrote: Gravity is also an omnipresent force, one which does control the tides, yet no-one considers it to be anything other than what it is

Could gravity not be the hand of God(s)? Could the laws of physics governing the universe not be the law of God(s)?

I might have bought this except I see where you palmed a card. Are you seriously touting tide-controlling gravity as the hand of a god that you stated (correctly) does not control tides? How does that work?

Physical laws, by their very nature, are impersonal: gravity never answers my letters, and only rarely pops in for a chat. They are indiscriminate: a priest and a rapist (assuming they're not the one and the same person) will fall from a cliff at the same rate and with the same outcome, for themselves on a personal level and for society as a whole.

Interestingly, the same laws of physics you ascribe to a god have given us the scientific tools and techniques that terrify your god so much, it has to hide from them.

Also you are playing fast-and-loose with the word Universe again.

JLY Wrote:

(September 28, 2011 at 9:10 am)Stimbo Wrote: What place, then, for the Jesus you believe loves us?

I didn't say I believed in Jesus.

Then stop telling me he loves me.

(September 28, 2011 at 10:43 am)Stimbo Wrote: I might have bought this except I see where you palmed a card. Are you seriously touting tide-controlling gravity as the hand of a god that you stated (correctly) does not control tides? How does that work?

I didn't state any such thing. I used the word 'could'.

(September 28, 2011 at 10:43 am)Stimbo Wrote: Physical laws, by their very nature, are impersonal: gravity never answers my letters, and only rarely pops in for a chat.

Perhaps God is impersonal. Perhaps God is indifferent to humans. That doesn't mean he isn't an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent force which exists, like gravity exists.

(September 28, 2011 at 10:43 am)Stimbo Wrote: They are indiscriminate: a priest and a rapist (assuming they're not the one and the same person) will fall from a cliff at the same rate and with the same outcome, for themselves on a personal level and for society as a whole.

I don't understand what you mean, are you implying that they should fall differently if God(s) exist?

(September 28, 2011 at 10:43 am)Stimbo Wrote: Interestingly, the same laws of physics you ascribe to a god have given us the scientific tools and techniques that terrify your god so much, it has to hide from them.

You don't know who my God is, let alone what terrifies him.

(September 28, 2011 at 9:10 am)Stimbo Wrote: Then stop telling me he loves me.

With the exception of my facetious name, I don't believe I have ever told you Jesus loves you, or promoted Christian ideology of any kind.

Quote:How can you be an atheist?!

I don't know.

I don't know and the people who say they do seem to be trying to hard.

They used to kill people who didn't know, still do in some places.
They used to kill those who knew things different to what was known.
We don't now but they still do in some places, but they can still be our friends as long as they've got something we want.

(September 28, 2011 at 10:53 am)Jesuslovesyou Wrote:

(September 28, 2011 at 10:43 am)Stimbo Wrote: I might have bought this except I see where you palmed a card. Are you seriously touting tide-controlling gravity as the hand of a god that you stated (correctly) does not control tides? How does that work?

I didn't state any such thing. I used the word 'could'.

No, you said "couldn't", inviting me to entertain the concept.

JLY Wrote:

(September 28, 2011 at 10:43 am)Stimbo Wrote: Physical laws, by their very nature, are impersonal: gravity never answers my letters, and only rarely pops in for a chat.

Perhaps God is impersonal. Perhaps God is indifferent to humans. That doesn't mean he isn't an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent force which exists, like gravity exists.

Then why should we give a damn about it? It keeps out of my way, I keep out of its way. If it's just a force that exists, I'm not going to waste my time on my knees talking to it. Elsewhere you mentioned how we are "suffering in a Godless world". Now "perhaps" this god is indifferent to humans. I wish you'd make up your mind.

JLY Wrote:

(September 28, 2011 at 10:43 am)Stimbo Wrote: They are indiscriminate: a priest and a rapist (assuming they're not the one and the same person) will fall from a cliff at the same rate and with the same outcome, for themselves on a personal level and for society as a whole.

I don't understand what you mean, are you implying that they should fall differently if God(s) exist?

Are you implying that a god wielding such forces would not discriminate between follower and sinner?

JLY Wrote:

(September 28, 2011 at 10:43 am)Stimbo Wrote: Interestingly, the same laws of physics you ascribe to a god have given us the scientific tools and techniques that terrify your god so much, it has to hide from them.

You don't know who my God is, let alone what terrifies him.

So why does he hide from science?

Also, here we go with the personal attributions to an impersonal force again; and barriers of language won't cut it this time when you use words such as "who".

JLY Wrote:

(September 28, 2011 at 9:10 am)Stimbo Wrote: Then stop telling me he loves me.

With the exception of my facetious name, I don't believe I have ever told you Jesus loves you, or promoted Christian ideology of any kind.

You do realise I'm going to hold you to that and remind you of it the first time you do, don't you?

(September 24, 2011 at 8:32 am)Happy Forever Wrote: How can you deny The Creator and you yourself is a clear evidence of His omnipotence, omnicience and greatness?

"Is there doubt about The God The Creator of the heavens and the earth"

I expect civil, logical and scientific replies.

Happy Forever

brainwashed and very deluded!