(November 26, 2018 at 7:45 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 1:58 am)Amarok Wrote: 1.It's actually far from rare for people to feel a natural attraction to a relative actually without grooming and the idea that said grooming has taken place would likely be regarded as child abuse even under current laws .

2. Your second point seems to be more of objection to arranged marriage rather then incest

1. I'll be the first to admit I don't have any actual numbers on this. But I don't think here in the west, at least, that it's a common occurance. At least not past puberty. But I could be mistaken.
2. Yeah, it is. As I said, were two related people without any grooming come to want to indulge in such practices, it'd be completely their business. And they shouldn't have to worry at all about anything I feel about the subject. But aforementioned grooming is like an arranged marriage, be it between family members. And that is the biggest problem I have with the incest-question. And I just meant to show you how hard it might actually be to point out the actual grooming, brainwashing or influencing taking place might be. For example, is it concidered child-abuse if a family sets up two cousins to be married when they come of age, starting at their birth? Shouldn't it be? And if so, how do you prevent it without  tresspassing on 'people's freedom of choice'?

1. There have been studies that show attraction between cousins is common at puberty

2. I'm pretty sure grooming your kids into incest is would still be a crime even if it's hard to detect and even if incest between consenting adults were allowed .

(November 26, 2018 at 8:01 am)Amarok Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 7:45 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote: 1. I'll be the first to admit I don't have any actual numbers on this. But I don't think here in the west, at least, that it's a common occurance. At least not past puberty. But I could be mistaken.
2. Yeah, it is. As I said, were two related people without any grooming come to want to indulge in such practices, it'd be completely their business. And they shouldn't have to worry at all about anything I feel about the subject. But aforementioned grooming is like an arranged marriage, be it between family members. And that is the biggest problem I have with the incest-question. And I just meant to show you how hard it might actually be to point out the actual grooming, brainwashing or influencing taking place might be. For example, is it concidered child-abuse if a family sets up two cousins to be married when they come of age, starting at their birth? Shouldn't it be? And if so, how do you prevent it without  tresspassing on 'people's freedom of choice'?

1. There have been studies that show attraction between cousins is common at puberty

2. I'm pretty sure grooming your kids into incest is would still be a crime even if it's hard to detect and even if incest between consenting adults were allowed .

1. Yeah, but I was talking about past puberty. As a child you don't really know what love and even attraction really is, I feel. And in puberty, your hormones messing with you and what-not could have you jumping a snow-man if things got desperate enough.
2. I'm not saying it wouldn't be.

(November 26, 2018 at 8:06 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 8:01 am)Amarok Wrote: 1. There have been studies that show attraction between cousins is common at puberty

2. I'm pretty sure grooming your kids into incest is would still be a crime even if it's hard to detect and even if incest between consenting adults were allowed .

1. Yeah, but I was talking about past puberty. As a child you don't really know what love and even attraction really is, I feel. And in puberty, your hormones messing with you and what-not could have you jumping a snow-man if things got desperate enough.
2. I'm not saying it wouldn't be.

1. Actually children as young as 7 express sexual attraction and curiosity well before  though puberty is definitly a big step  but not the first hell toddlers can get an erection 

2.Good

I guess I'd say no but the age of consent should be at least 145.

(November 26, 2018 at 8:18 am)Amarok Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 8:06 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote: 1. Yeah, but I was talking about past puberty. As a child you don't really know what love and even attraction really is, I feel. And in puberty, your hormones messing with you and what-not could have you jumping a snow-man if things got desperate enough.
2. I'm not saying it wouldn't be.

1. Actually children as young as 7 express sexual attraction and curiosity well before  though puberty is definitly a big step  but not the first hell toddlers can get an erection 

2.Good

Yeah, but you don't really understand what it is nor what it entails, on that age, do you? Or do you think children are fully capable of entering a romantic relationship on the same level as adults? With the same understanding of what it is they are getting into, including capability of giving consent, as full and equal partners?

(November 24, 2018 at 11:44 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: What is this "ewe" factor everyone is talking about?

That's a Kerry sheep if ever I saw one.

(November 26, 2018 at 8:30 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 8:18 am)Amarok Wrote: 1. Actually children as young as 7 express sexual attraction and curiosity well before  though puberty is definitly a big step  but not the first hell toddlers can get an erection 

2.Good

Yeah, but you don't really understand what it is nor what it entails, on that age, do you? Or do you think children are fully capable of entering a romantic relationship on the same level as adults? With the same understanding of what it is they are getting into, including capability of giving consent, as full and equal partners?

On one level they understand they have a feeling towards someone but the same level of awareness as an adult no .The ability to consent no. But they do have a level of understanding .

(November 26, 2018 at 8:18 am)Amarok Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 8:06 am)Mr.Obvious Wrote: 1. Yeah, but I was talking about past puberty. As a child you don't really know what love and even attraction really is, I feel. And in puberty, your hormones messing with you and what-not could have you jumping a snow-man if things got desperate enough.
2. I'm not saying it wouldn't be.

1. Actually children as young as 7 express sexual attraction and curiosity well before  though puberty is definitly a big step  but not the first hell toddlers can get an erection 

2.Good

As young as 7, that's my daughter's age!
Nooooooooooooo!
Is there a way to stop them from growing any more?

(November 26, 2018 at 8:40 am)Little lunch Wrote:

(November 26, 2018 at 8:18 am)Amarok Wrote: 1. Actually children as young as 7 express sexual attraction and curiosity well before  though puberty is definitly a big step  but not the first hell toddlers can get an erection 

2.Good

As young as 7, that's my daughter's age!
Nooooooooooooo!
Is there a way to stop them from growing any more?

Nope she's growing up

Marrying a "cousin" is very spread in the Middle East and even considered "the stereotypical" kind of marriage.
I wouldn't link incest to cousin marriage, but I'll call any "mother-daughter-sister...first degree relative" sexual relationship as "incest".

It's forbidden in Islam, and I am against it, there is very strong evidence that inner breeding can result in disasters for newborns that result from the relationship, and on the side it is very weird in my opinion. Your sister or brother should be another "you"; a keeper of one's secret, sexuality must not be involved in such relation. In my opinion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding

Contributing to inbreeding is just a terrible thing.