(December 3, 2018 at 4:38 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: I think that you should do a little research.  You'll find that Solath Sar was super into buddhism, and that buddhism (as the state religion, no less) was the ground from which the khmer rouge originally sprang.

It was political expediency and concerns of legitimacy that eventually put the apparatus on blast, combined with drumming up the antipathies held by any poor people in which a particular social strata had accumulated immense wealth for itself relative to the rest of the proles.  They never could really get rid of their own buddhist trappings though, because they worked so well to manipulate those same proles, as they always had in the preceding centuries.

I'll take your word for it. But remember one thing, if the Khmer Rouge were influenced by some aspects of Buddhism, that doesn't negate their atheism. Some philosophic aspects of Buddhism might appeal to atheists. Buddhism itself, as traditionally conceived and practiced, does not even consider belief or worship of God important or essential for being a Buddhist.

The Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot were definitely atheists as I've already proven. You should also do more research yourself and confirm this fact from book of history and qualified historians and experts on the subject. There's no doubt the Khmer Rouge were Marxists and Maoists. Both of those individuals were ardent atheists too and despised religion.

Now my point is that state atheism has committed a lot more atrocities than any theocracy or religious group in the name of their religion. 3 million people died from the Cambodian genocide. That wasn't ancient history, it happened in the late 1970s. Before that, China's Cultural Revolution likewise killed millions in the 1960s. And Stalin had millions killed as part of his purges before that. All of these atrocities are rooted in state atheism.

Nothing in the history of Judaism, Christianity or Islam ever comes close. People on this thread are talking about 9/11, itself strongly suspected of being an inside job. But if we concede that it was done by terrorists motivated by Islam alone (and not any geopolitical grievances), then were talking about just under 3000 deaths.
So 3000 from 9/11 compared to the tens of millions of people that were killed by state atheism in the previous century. Now look at the fact that the atheist regime of China has interred about a 1 million Uighur Muslims in "re-education" camps. The atrocities being committed by the Chinese govt. has the benefit of being hidden due to the lack of a free media there, so it is not as sensationalized as relatively minor acts of terrorism committed largely in the Middle East.
That doesn't deny the existence of State terror, which is more often than not, atheist State terror.

Meh, that guy has a thing, fuck that guy.  Here's an interesting bit about buddhism in cambodia.  People, today, appear to regard buddhism and monks very much as the khmer rouge did back in the day, and it's been declared the state religion, again.  

Let's hope they don't go for some round two shit for all the same reasons, I guess. One of those official reasons, being that buddhists in cambodia preached that karma provided a justification for some natural state of inequality in this world - that the poor should shut up and be poor because they deserved to be poor. This was too much coming from the mouths of unemployed leeches who literally took food from the poor.

Are we arguing that atheist don’t kill people, that religion has a bigger death toll or just having a circle jerk?

(December 3, 2018 at 9:02 pm)tackattack Wrote: Are we arguing that atheist don’t kill people, that religion has a bigger death toll or just having a circle jerk?

Yes.

I’ll pass on the last one and take irreligious nations of the 20th century alex

(December 3, 2018 at 10:48 pm)tackattack Wrote: I’ll pass on the last one and take irreligious nations of the 20th century alex

But god killed all but 8 people in the whole world, ya know, way way back. Sounds like a higher percentage kill to me. 

ding, ding, ding, I think we have a winner!

No, what??? That's just a story?!?!?!?

(December 3, 2018 at 10:48 pm)tackattack Wrote: I’ll pass on the last one and take irreligious nations of the 20th century alex

Norway, Finland, Sweden, etc.

(December 3, 2018 at 4:31 pm)Cherub786 Wrote: "Democratic Kampuchea was officially an atheist state, and the persecution of religion by the Khmer Rouge was matched in severity only by the persecution of religion in the communist states of Albania and North Korea, so there were not any direct historical continuities of Buddhism into the Democratic Kampuchea era."
Wessinger, Catherine (2000). Millennialism, Persecution, and Violence: Historical Cases. Syracuse University Press. p. 282. ISBN 9780815628095.

That still doesn't support your statement that they were motivated by atheism or hatred of religion. I'm an atheist, but when I eat food, I can tell you it isn't motivated by my atheism. Telling us that they were atheists tells us nothing about what their motives were.

You can do better than that wyzas, I want numbers, extinction numbers. I mean we theists did our part but i’ll take Marxist like regimes for 250 million Alex.
Let’s continue the false dichotomy of theist vs. secular. Fundamentalism vs. anti religious. It all leads to the same place that people can kill regardless of their philosophies. What is true is that denser populations and more efficient and horrible ways to kill exponentially increases the death toll. We should blame science for increasing life spans and reducing sickness and giving us tons of ways to easily kill. That’s it, science is the biggest killer, let’s quit that shit🤐

(December 3, 2018 at 2:41 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Islam was the direct cause of the twin towers atrocity

No, it wasn't. 

The direct cause of the WTC/Pentagon attack was US involvement in the Middle East. Political and military, not religious involvement. 

The attackers had a few stated goals, all of which they accomplished. These included the removal of US military bases from Saudi Arabia and a more united opposition in the Arab world to US influence. (Note that the Arab world is not the same as the Islamic world. Iran, for example, is not Arab, nor is Indonesia.) 

The attack also had the result of raising oil prices, which allowed the bin Ladin family to escape its financial troubles. 

As usual, Americans interpret troubles of this kind beginning when the blowback starts, and remain unaware of the fact that the US has been provoking that blowback for a long time. Blaming the troubles on Islam allows Americans to see it all as irrational violent insanity, and remain naive about their own government's evils.