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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 10, 2018 at 3:45 pm
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SOME atheists may have the belief that no gods exist, but that is a minority position. All that is necessary to be an atheist, is to not be convinced that gods exist.
Specifically for me, I do not claim to KNOW if gods exist or not, therefore, I am agnostic.
I also am not convinced that gods exist, therefore, I am an atheist. This could be considered a disbelief in the existence of gods, but that is not the same as the belief that no gods exist.
Both these positions are provisional, not dogmatic. As long as the case for the existence of gods continues to not meet its burden of proof, I will continue to disbelieve in the existence of gods.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 10, 2018 at 8:20 pm
Quote:Minimalist holds that posistion, I'm sure I can find a few others on this site.
Positive atheism isn't a requirement of atheism
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 10, 2018 at 10:34 pm
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Hey Huggy, OP. Here's the crux of it.
Min can state he is certain there are no gods. So what? People say lots of thing.
He is wrong because technically you cannot falsify the unfalsifiable.
Theists make the positive claim, not us. They "know" god exists. This is infinitely more fallacious.
They cannot know, now can they? Unless of course they listen to the voices in their head!
If you're going to do that, then hell, knowledge means nothing. Back to solipsism we go.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 10, 2018 at 10:36 pm
"Positive atheism", in my case...anti-theism..is the belief that that the religious are assholes.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 10, 2018 at 10:49 pm
(December 10, 2018 at 8:20 pm)Amarok Wrote: Quote:Minimalist holds that posistion, I'm sure I can find a few others on this site.
Positive atheism isn't a requirement of atheism
Did I say it was?
Plenty of you (possibly the vast majority, which includes YOU, are positive atheists, until a thread thread like this one pops up, then you guys want to back pedal and act like none of you has claimed God doesn't exist.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 10, 2018 at 10:55 pm
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(December 10, 2018 at 10:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (December 10, 2018 at 8:20 pm)Amarok Wrote: Positive atheism isn't a requirement of atheism
Did I say it was?
Plenty of you (possibly the vast majority, which includes YOU, are positive atheists, until a thread thread like this one pops up, then you guys want to back pedal and act like none of you has claimed God doesn't exist.
Nope but you keep implying it
Your second statement is false just about everyone here is a negative atheist and the rest is nonsense.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 10, 2018 at 10:57 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2018 at 11:17 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(December 10, 2018 at 10:34 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Hey Huggy, OP. Here's the crux of it.
Min can state he is certain there are no gods. So what? People say lots of thing.
He is wrong because technically you cannot falsify the unfalsifiable.
Theists make the positive claim, not us. They "know" god exists. This is infinitely more fallacious.
They cannot know, now can they? Unless of course they listen to the voices in their head!
If you're going to do that, then hell, knowledge means nothing. Back to solipsism we go.
If theists "know" then what is 'faith' for?
(December 10, 2018 at 10:55 pm)Amarok Wrote: (December 10, 2018 at 10:49 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Did I say it was?
Plenty of you (possibly the vast majority, which includes YOU, are positive atheists, until a thread thread like this one pops up, then you guys want to back pedal and act like none of you has claimed God doesn't exist.
Nope but you keep implying it
Your second statement is false just about everyone here is a negative atheist and the rest is nonsense.
(February 13, 2017 at 7:40 pm)Amarok Wrote: I don't hate God. I hate a fictional depiction in a story book in fact several story books . Just the way I hate jar jar binks and he also likely doesn't exist. You can in fact hate something that doesn't exist we do it all the time. I also like the fact that you guys claim you don't belong to a collective yet you are somehow are comfortable in speaking for just about every atheist on these forms.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 10, 2018 at 11:41 pm
(This post was last modified: December 10, 2018 at 11:43 pm by Amarok.)
(December 10, 2018 at 10:57 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (December 10, 2018 at 10:34 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Hey Huggy, OP. Here's the crux of it.
Min can state he is certain there are no gods. So what? People say lots of thing.
He is wrong because technically you cannot falsify the unfalsifiable.
Theists make the positive claim, not us. They "know" god exists. This is infinitely more fallacious.
They cannot know, now can they? Unless of course they listen to the voices in their head!
If you're going to do that, then hell, knowledge means nothing. Back to solipsism we go.
If theists "know" then what is 'faith' for?
(December 10, 2018 at 10:55 pm)Amarok Wrote: Nope but you keep implying it
Your second statement is false just about everyone here is a negative atheist and the rest is nonsense.
(February 13, 2017 at 7:40 pm)Amarok Wrote: I don't hate God. I hate a fictional depiction in a story book in fact several story books . Just the way I hate jar jar binks and he also likely doesn't exist. You can in fact hate something that doesn't exist we do it all the time. Let's go over this shall we
Quote:I don't hate God.
Nothing to do with gods existence
Quote:I hate a fictional depiction in a story book in fact several story books .
Has nothing to do with the existence of god only that bible and most religious texts have yet to demonstrate themselves and thus are indistinguishable from works of fiction . This is not a positive statement that god doesn't exist .
Quote:. Just the way I hate jar jar binks and he also likely doesn't exist
This clearly continues from the above the god of varied religions remains undemonstrated and thus remains no less demonstrated then Jar Jar . This is not a positive statement that no gods exists .
Quote:You can in fact hate something that doesn't exist we do it all the time.
Again clearly stating you can hate something that does not exist and says nothing about it's existence
So this attempt fails
Quote:I also like the fact that you guys claim you don't belong to a collective yet you are somehow are comfortable in speaking for just about every atheist on these forms.
We aren't a collective but I am confident speaking for other atheists those two things don't follow . We can not be a collective and I can be confident in the position of other people .
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 11, 2018 at 12:50 am
(December 10, 2018 at 11:41 pm)Amarok Wrote: (December 10, 2018 at 10:57 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: If theists "know" then what is 'faith' for?
Let's go over this shall we
Quote:I don't hate God.
Nothing to do with gods existence
Quote:I hate a fictional depiction in a story book in fact several story books .
Has nothing to do with the existence of god only that bible and most religious texts have yet to demonstrate themselves and thus are indistinguishable from works of fiction . This is not a positive statement that god doesn't exist .
Quote:. Just the way I hate jar jar binks and he also likely doesn't exist
This clearly continues from the above the god of varied religions remains undemonstrated and thus remains no less demonstrated then Jar Jar . This is not a positive statement that no gods exists .
Quote:You can in fact hate something that doesn't exist we do it all the time.
Again clearly stating you can hate something that does not exist and says nothing about it's existence
So this attempt fails
Quote:I also like the fact that you guys claim you don't belong to a collective yet you are somehow are comfortable in speaking for just about every atheist on these forms.
We aren't a collective but I am confident speaking for other atheists those two things don't follow . We can not be a collective and I can be confident in the position of other people .
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 11, 2018 at 12:53 am
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