Would be - President Pence.


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It' s pretty unlikely the ( D )s will field someone as hated and unelectable as Hillary  Clinton again. ( proof she is??? look who is President)

With President Trump's unpopularity - it' s unlikely that he could win against most any ( D ) challenger. 

But - if Pence rises to the Presidency? Compared to what we've got now - he will look positively Presidential.


So - here' s the choice ( as I see it)

RIde it out - let Trump finish his term - or impeach him - and  risk being stuck with an evangelical maniac until 2028. (Two full ELECTED terms)

I don't like Pence, but he is a guy who never had any chance at ascending to the presidency on his own. If he were to become president for the rest of Trump's term, it wouldn't be a big deal. He isn't strong enough to push his own agenda. He would just be a weak guy sitting out the rest of the term. He would very likely attract a strong primary challenger.

Every day the political tea leafs are telling me that no one has confidence in the Democratic Party, and that everyone thinks that the party is extremely weak. Everyone is terrified that someone slightly more competent than Trump is going to rise to the leadership of the Republican Party, and then the Democratic Party is going to be in extreme peril. The problem with the Democratic Party is the Democrats. The base is a bunch of weak, feeble, victims who absolutely believe that they will be utterly crushed by the slightest bit of Republican competence.

I dunno. If the ( D ),s have a good candidate - I'd vote for them.


I did President Obama ( 2nd term)

(January 27, 2019 at 9:49 am)Yonadav Wrote: I don't like Pence, but he is a guy who never had any chance at ascending to the presidency on his own. If he were to become president for the rest of Trump's term, it wouldn't be a big deal. He isn't strong enough to push his own agenda. He would just be a weak guy sitting out the rest of the term. He would very likely attract a strong primary challenger.

Every day the political tea leafs are telling me that no one has confidence in the Democratic Party, and that everyone thinks that the party is extremely weak. Everyone is terrified that someone slightly more competent than Trump is going to rise to the leadership of the Republican Party, and then the Democratic Party is going to be in extreme peril. The problem with the Democratic Party is the Democrats. The base is a bunch of weak, feeble, victims who absolutely believe that they will be utterly crushed by the slightest bit of Republican competence.

The democrats are weak? HA ha ha ha ha. This is cute.

I have lots of confidence in my party. I have no confidence that the GOP has any balls to do the right thing and will keep lying and gerrymandering to get a win anyway they can.

(January 27, 2019 at 9:58 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I dunno. If the ( D ),s have a good candidate - I'd vote for them.


I did President Obama ( 2nd term)

Yep. I good Democratic candidate is what we need to be concentrating on right now. A good one. A strong one. Not just someone who is 'better than Trump'. The lesser of two evils mentality that is so pervasive among the Democratic base is what makes the Democratic base so pathetic. They don't want to win. They're just looking for someone to surrender to.

(January 27, 2019 at 10:11 am)Yonadav Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 9:58 am)onlinebiker Wrote: I dunno. If the ( D ),s have a good candidate - I'd vote for them.


I did President Obama ( 2nd term)

Yep. I good Democratic candidate is what we need to be concentrating on right now. A good one. A strong one. Not just someone who is 'better than Trump'. The lesser of two evils mentality that is so pervasive among the Democratic base is what makes the Democratic base so pathetic. They don't want to win. They're just looking for someone to surrender to.

Presidents like Obama or JFK don't come along that often. But to say nobody can beat Trump after all the damage he has caused himself with swing voters, that is just silly. He isn't going to have an easy time this time because the swing voters now see what New York City has known for decades. His base will never leave him, but he won't get the same amount of votes from swing voters this time.

And I am sick of this "The lesser of the two evils" rhetoric. In a free society nobody gets 100% of what they want all the time. Our system is not a utopia but one of checks and balances, and co equal branches. And as such it is absurd, for anyone of any party to seek perfect super heros, no such thing exists.

Pence has ZERO charisma. There's no way he gets reelected. Seriously, he talks like this:

Make. America. Great. Again. It. Is. What. Donald. Trump. Would. Have. Wanted.

(January 27, 2019 at 11:05 am)Divinity Wrote: Pence has ZERO charisma.  There's no way he gets reelected.  Seriously, he talks like this:

Make.  America.  Great.  Again.  It.  Is.  What.  Donald.  Trump.  Would.  Have.  Wanted.

Re- elected???


Uh..... 


He hasn't been elected President yet - so strictly speaking he can only be elected president.....


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And when was the last time the ( R )s ever voted for charisma?

Nixon? Ford? Bush I or II?


It seems they LIKE vanilla....



Heh

(January 27, 2019 at 11:43 am)onlinebiker Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 11:05 am)Divinity Wrote: Pence has ZERO charisma.  There's no way he gets reelected.  Seriously, he talks like this:

Make.  America.  Great.  Again.  It.  Is.  What.  Donald.  Trump.  Would.  Have.  Wanted.

Re- elected???


Uh..... 


He hasn't been elected President yet - so strictly speaking he can only be elected president.....


....

And when was the last time the ( R )s ever voted for charisma?

Nixon? Ford? Bush I or II?


It seems they LIKE vanilla....



Heh

Unfortunately, people vote for charisma all the time. In 2000, my girlfriend refused to vote for Al Gore because she thought that he was boring. I couldn't change her mind about it. People really do vote as if they are electing someone to be the star of a television show, so it is really not too surprising that a reality television show personality became president.

By 're-elected' I think that she meant that Pence was elected to become president if something happened to Trump.

(January 27, 2019 at 11:51 am)Yonadav Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 11:43 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Re- elected???


Uh..... 


He hasn't been elected President yet - so strictly speaking he can only be elected president.....


....

And when was the last time the ( R )s ever voted for charisma?

Nixon? Ford? Bush I or II?


It seems they LIKE vanilla....



Heh

Unfortunately, people vote for charisma all the time. In 2000, my girlfriend refused to vote for Al Gore because she thought that he was boring. I couldn't change her mind about it. People really do vote as if they are electing someone to be the star of a television show, so it is really not too surprising that a reality television show personality became president.

By 're-elected' I think that she meant that Pence was elected to become president if something happened to Trump.

It is possible to have ethics and charisma, Obama and JFK had that. Most of our other presidents really simply either did a good job or not, but none of them, have acted in the bat shit insane way 45 has. He is not politics as normal.