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RE: The Downside of Impeachment
January 27, 2019 at 10:42 pm
(January 27, 2019 at 10:32 pm)outtathereligioncloset Wrote: I was floored when Al Gore didn't win. The man is frickin brilliant. That was the first time I started fantasizing about leaving the US permanently.
Here's one for ya' HE was #45. 45th VP, that is.
People are not always logical and our electoral system is flawed. Al Gore and Hillary Clinton both won more votes than their opponents.
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RE: The Downside of Impeachment
January 27, 2019 at 10:57 pm
(January 27, 2019 at 10:32 pm)outtathereligioncloset Wrote: I was floored when Al Gore didn't win. The man is frickin brilliant.
I was a little more emotional back then. I actually cried a little bit.
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RE: The Downside of Impeachment
January 27, 2019 at 11:01 pm
Republicans have only won the popular vote once in the past 26 years, and yet a republican has been president for three terms to dems four in that span.
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RE: The Downside of Impeachment
January 27, 2019 at 11:06 pm
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(January 27, 2019 at 10:42 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: (January 27, 2019 at 10:32 pm)outtathereligioncloset Wrote: I was floored when Al Gore didn't win. The man is frickin brilliant. That was the first time I started fantasizing about leaving the US permanently.
Here's one for ya' HE was #45. 45th VP, that is.
People are not always logical and our electoral system is flawed. Al Gore and Hillary Clinton both won more votes than their opponents.
Hillary got 2,868,686 more votes than Trump and, due to the ridiculous Electoral College system, she lost. The 20th largest margin of difference in popular votes between major party candidates, and she still fucking lost.
(January 27, 2019 at 11:01 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Republicans have only won the popular vote once in the past 26 years, and yet a republican has been president for three terms to dems four in that span.
Maybe at this point, it's the only way the Republicans can win the White House.
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January 27, 2019 at 11:14 pm
I think that alot of the nasty shit republicans get into is just a consequence of what political space remains to them.
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RE: The Downside of Impeachment
January 28, 2019 at 1:55 am
I think it's likely we'll have a Democrat in office come 2020. I wasn't so sure about that this time last year, to be honest, but now I am. Trump has caused a lot of trouble over this past year (added up with everything he's gotten into from the get-go) and he's so damn fixated on this will that he's making a joke out of himself and the Repubs. I don't think he'll be impeached though; I simply think he's going to lose in 2020. Thankfully.
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RE: The Downside of Impeachment
January 28, 2019 at 2:21 am
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The only down side to impeachment is success increases trump’s chances of dying in his bed.
It is already far too late to avoid the hideous, possibly nation destroying in the long-term, precedence that one such as trump can advance to the highest office. But the effects of that precedence would become doubly bad if one such as trump could actually serve out his term. Whether pence is a barely tolerable snot or a utterly repugnant snot would pale into insignificance before the impact of the precedent that one such as trump can be left unimpeached.
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RE: The Downside of Impeachment
January 28, 2019 at 7:14 am
Not much of a downside, Pence would be Ford Mk II, except without Ford's intelligence or ability to get things done.
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RE: The Downside of Impeachment
January 28, 2019 at 8:16 am
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(January 27, 2019 at 2:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Reagan was right in taking down the USSR. But that is about it.
Despite the mythology Reagan was only peripheral to the USSR's collapse. It fell because it could no longer keep its Eastern European satellites in line (in fact the rot started when Yugoslavia &China went their own ways in the 70s), and through implementing the right medicine (the Soviet part of USSR through Glasnost & Perestroika) too late to help.
Reagan's biggest achievement was making the US buget as lopsided as the USSRs towards weapons.
(January 27, 2019 at 7:26 pm)bennyboy Wrote: (January 27, 2019 at 11:43 am)onlinebiker Wrote: Re- elected???
Uh.....
He hasn't been elected President yet - so strictly speaking he can only be elected president.....
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And when was the last time the ( R )s ever voted for charisma?
Nixon? Ford? Bush I or II?
It seems they LIKE vanilla....
Heh
I dunno, dude. I'd say that both Reagan and Bush Jr. had a kind of charisma. Hillary, Gore-- not so much. I guess it's subjective.
Now to be straight, I'm a democrat by far. But even I wouldn't vote for a suit-pants-wearing lizard.
Reagan yes, Shrub no. If you need daddy's hand picked Supreme Court cronies to stage a coup on your behalf after losing an election, one thing is guaranteed; your charisma is lacking.
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RE: The Downside of Impeachment
January 28, 2019 at 2:43 pm
(January 28, 2019 at 8:16 am)Nomad Wrote: (January 27, 2019 at 2:26 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Reagan was right in taking down the USSR. But that is about it.
Despite the mythology Reagan was only peripheral to the USSR's collapse. It fell because it could no longer keep its Eastern European satellites in line (in fact the rot started when Yugoslavia &China went their own ways in the 70s), and through implementing the right medicine (the Soviet part of USSR through Glasnost & Perestroika) too late to help.
Reagan's biggest achievement was making the US buget as lopsided as the USSRs towards weapons.
(January 27, 2019 at 7:26 pm)bennyboy Wrote: I dunno, dude. I'd say that both Reagan and Bush Jr. had a kind of charisma. Hillary, Gore-- not so much. I guess it's subjective.
Now to be straight, I'm a democrat by far. But even I wouldn't vote for a suit-pants-wearing lizard.
Reagan yes, Shrub no. If you need daddy's hand picked Supreme Court cronies to stage a coup on your behalf after losing an election, one thing is guaranteed; your charisma is lacking.
The proximal cause of Soviet Union’s inability to keep its European satellite in line was the fact that the soviet system had passed a certain threshold during the 1970s in the level of a type of corrupt that arises when a economically closed autarchic totalitarian regimes justifies its own excesses by the economic progress it alledgedly is making - the actual economic performance obfuscated by benchmarking to commodities produces rather than value added, and reporting is falsified at every level of the bureaucracy. So by mid 1980s even the politbureau didn’t have a clear understanding of the magnitude of the actual value produced by the soviet economy and material weaknesses of the soviet productivity. This combined with lack of emphasis on training in sound economic theory, and gorbachev’s Marxist idealism, let to short term policies that drastically reduced soviet union’s government revenue receipts in the late 1980s.
Rather than admitting this is a dangerous situatiion That must immediately be fixed, which may weaken Gorbachev politically by admitting mistake in his signature policies, Gorbachev sought to use the crisis to push through political reforms. He failed to anticipate the favorable reaction to his political reforms did not extend to willingness to make sacrifices for the soviet system he led.
Eventually he completely backed himself into a corner. Soviet Union can’t begin to reduce its fiscal bleeding without cutting aid to Warsaw pack states. Despite western propaganda to the effect that Warsaw pack is purely an extractive relation imposed by the USSR, most Warsaw pack states actually relied on Soviet Largess. So for many Warsaw pack regimes opening to the west is the only option of soviet largess is cut off. At the same time Gorbachev could not salvage soviet union’s own fiscal bankruptcy without heavy handed reversal of his political liberalization.
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