(January 27, 2019 at 2:17 pm)GODZILLA Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 6:47 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Indeed they are so heavily invested in hi that they will rearrange the facts to suit their beliefs. Most are Christians and have practice at that sort of self deception.

Exactly! Bill Maher did a segment on this. He is their God.

Meh. We would have the same sort of thing with President Oprah. She could get away with murder, and people would still support her. Different people. Same mentality.

(January 26, 2019 at 11:14 am)onlinebiker Wrote: So of you just don't get it.

The orange assclown doesn't really have a base.


His " true supporters" would get their asses handed to them by the Libertarians in an election ---- as long as Hillary isn' t running.

Practically nobody voted FOR Trump. They voted AGAINST Clinton.

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If they were bound by truth in advertising laws -

Instead of Trump supporters wearing MAGA hats ----

They shoulda wore HBTH hats....

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He's  better than Hillary.
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If truth in advertising had any effect, the hats would look like this:




Boru

(January 27, 2019 at 2:45 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 2:17 pm)GODZILLA Wrote: Exactly! Bill Maher did a segment on this. He is their God.

Meh. We would have the same sort of thing with President Oprah. She could get away with murder, and people would still support her. Different people. Same mentality.

That remains to be seen.

(January 27, 2019 at 4:40 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 2:45 pm)Yonadav Wrote: Meh. We would have the same sort of thing with President Oprah. She could get away with murder, and people would still support her. Different people. Same mentality.

That remains to be seen.

I feel that I have already seen. Trump's war on the media is despicable. I have posted endlessly about how opposed I am to attacks on the media. When antifa started attacking journalists, I posted about how opposed I was to antifa's attacks on journalists. I got trolled by people who were very angry about my criticisms of antifa, and refused to acknowledge that antifa did anything wrong, and accused me of supporting Trump's attacks on journalists (even though they knew that I had always been very critical of Trump's attacks on journalists).

Wingnuts on the right defend Trump's attacks on journalists.
Wingnuts on the left defend antifa's attacks on journalists.
I attack anyone who attacks journalists.

The same 'blindeye' mentality exists in segments of both the right and the left.

(January 27, 2019 at 6:33 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 4:40 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: That remains to be seen.

I feel that I have already seen. Trump's war on the media is despicable. I have posted endlessly about how opposed I am to attacks on the media. When antifa started attacking journalists, I posted about how opposed I was to antifa's attacks on journalists. I got trolled by people who were very angry about my criticisms of antifa, and refused to acknowledge that antifa did anything wrong, and accused me of supporting Trump's attacks on journalists (even though they knew that I had always been very critical of Trump's attacks on journalists).

Wingnuts on the right defend Trump's attacks on journalists.
Wingnuts on the left defend antifa's attacks on journalists.
I attack anyone who attacks journalists.

The same 'blindeye' mentality exists in segments of both the right and the left.

Maybe you have a different newsfeed?  Antifa is routinely and resoundingly condemned by the liberal establishment, though the wingnut welfare circuit is constantly screaching about ANTIFA=Mainstream Dems!!!. 

IDK if any discussion over what antifa does right or wrong is all the relevant to antifa anyway - "by any means necessary" doesn't sound like a promise to uphold standards of dignity and decency in political opposition. We kindof epect them to do the bad shit™ right...I mean, at some point? Most of what they do probably wouldn't qualify but I think that they do reserve the right to throw a brick or start a fire and remain consistent with their base ideology...which..for reference....is "by any means necessary".....

As far as their attacks on journalists? Well..you've got one side attacking journalists for doing their job..and the other attacking journalists for failing to do their job.

(January 28, 2019 at 12:40 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 6:33 pm)Yonadav Wrote: I feel that I have already seen. Trump's war on the media is despicable. I have posted endlessly about how opposed I am to attacks on the media. When antifa started attacking journalists, I posted about how opposed I was to antifa's attacks on journalists. I got trolled by people who were very angry about my criticisms of antifa, and refused to acknowledge that antifa did anything wrong, and accused me of supporting Trump's attacks on journalists (even though they knew that I had always been very critical of Trump's attacks on journalists).

Wingnuts on the right defend Trump's attacks on journalists.
Wingnuts on the left defend antifa's attacks on journalists.
I attack anyone who attacks journalists.

The same 'blindeye' mentality exists in segments of both the right and the left.

Maybe you have a different newsfeed?  Antifa is routinely and resoundingly condemned by the liberal establishment, though the wingnut welfare circuit is constantly screaching about ANTIFA=Mainstream Dems!!!. 

IDK if any discussion over what antifa does right or wrong is all the relevant to antifa anyway - "by any means necessary" doesn't sound like a promise to uphold standards of dignity and decency in political opposition.  We kindof epect them to do the bad shit™ right...I mean, at some point?  Most of what they do probably wouldn't qualify but I think that they do reserve the right to throw a brick or start a fire and remain consistent with their base ideology...which..for reference....is  "by any means necessary".....

As a liberal, I'd like to go on record as despising Antifa's tactics.  If you're going to call yourself 'anti-fascist', it's best not to behave like one.

Boru

Most people seem to think the same.  Obviously antifa doesn't.  They don't have any commitment to our political parties or assertions.

(January 28, 2019 at 12:40 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote:

(January 27, 2019 at 6:33 pm)Yonadav Wrote: I feel that I have already seen. Trump's war on the media is despicable. I have posted endlessly about how opposed I am to attacks on the media. When antifa started attacking journalists, I posted about how opposed I was to antifa's attacks on journalists. I got trolled by people who were very angry about my criticisms of antifa, and refused to acknowledge that antifa did anything wrong, and accused me of supporting Trump's attacks on journalists (even though they knew that I had always been very critical of Trump's attacks on journalists).

Wingnuts on the right defend Trump's attacks on journalists.
Wingnuts on the left defend antifa's attacks on journalists.
I attack anyone who attacks journalists.

The same 'blindeye' mentality exists in segments of both the right and the left.

Maybe you have a different newsfeed?  Antifa is routinely and resoundingly condemned by the liberal establishment, though the wingnut welfare circuit is constantly screaching about ANTIFA=Mainstream Dems!!!. 

IDK if any discussion over what antifa does right or wrong is all the relevant to antifa anyway - "by any means necessary" doesn't sound like a promise to uphold standards of dignity and decency in political opposition.  We kindof epect them to do the bad shit™ right...I mean, at some point?  Most of what they do probably wouldn't qualify but I think that they do reserve the right to throw a brick or start a fire and remain consistent with their base ideology...which..for reference....is  "by any means necessary".....

As far as their attacks on journalists?  Well..you've got one side attacking journalists for doing their job..and the other attacking journalists for failing to do their job.

You might try parsing English a little better before responding with a knee-jerk reaction. Of course liberals (such as myself) have condemned antifa's actions. If you had put the slightest bit of effort into understanding what I actually said, you would have seen that I restricted my comments to 'segments' of the left and right.

ALL liberals are opposed to antifa's actions. My comments were restricted to an illiberal segment of the left that turns a blind eye to misbehavior just as aggressively as any fact-denying Trump supporter.

(January 28, 2019 at 1:57 pm)Yonadav Wrote: You might try parsing English a little better before responding with a knee-jerk reaction. Of course liberals (such as myself) have condemned antifa's actions. If you had put the slightest bit of effort into understanding what I actually said, you would have seen that I restricted my comments to 'segments' of the left and right.

ALL liberals are opposed to antifa's actions. My comments were restricted to an illiberal segment of the left that turns a blind eye to misbehavior just as aggressively as any fact-denying Trump supporter.

Without any specific potential regressive ignoring some specific attack as an example it;s pretty much impossible to tell if you're talking about a real thing or repeating the narrative of the regressive left as shrieked by the wingnut welfare circuit.

I'm routinely accused as a liberal, I'm not actually opposed to antifas actions, and yet I'm not a part of the illiberal wing that actually does exist in the left. So the rule above seems to be flawed. Chances are...whatever regressive you're referring to isn't actually turning a blind eye to anything..but I guess we can wait and see what comes up?