Quote:One of the lowlights of last night's garbage, was when he lied about El Paso being high crime but when a barrier was put up suddenly became one of the safest cities in the country. 

Well, at least he got his story straight.  He's told it before, but said it was San Antonio. Which is 150 miles from the US-Mexico border.

Boru

(February 6, 2019 at 12:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:

Quote:One of the lowlights of last night's garbage, was when he lied about El Paso being high crime but when a barrier was put up suddenly became one of the safest cities in the country. 

Well, at least he got his story straight.  He's told it before, but said it was San Antonio. Which is 150 miles from the US-Mexico border.

Boru

Yeah, walls didn't work out so well in San Antonio, the way I remember it.

(February 6, 2019 at 9:49 am)Yonadav Wrote: Bad news, Brian. Everyone who watched the SOTU last night found Trump to be completely compelling and supports him now. He's going to be president for life.

out side of the boarder wall, nothing he supports can be argued by either side!

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(February 6, 2019 at 12:00 pm)Yonadav Wrote: I watched like maybe 15 minutes of it last night. It just made me jealous of Trump's speech writers. I'll bet that job pays really well, and it's got to be the easiest job ever. His speech sounded like a compilation of Trump's Greatest Tweets. All you have to do is save up his tweets, clean them up a little bit, string them together, and add a little bit of filler. Somebody's making some sweet, sweet cash for that shit.

the news is certainly not reporting his accomplishments. we are in the best economic stable time of my adult life, and if you believe what the news had to say, aside from the sky is falling/global warming(in a winter vortex likes of which we have not seen) we are also going down the tubes. so yes it is good to see it from the source.

(February 6, 2019 at 12:43 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(February 6, 2019 at 12:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, at least he got his story straight.  He's told it before, but said it was San Antonio. Which is 150 miles from the US-Mexico border.

Boru

Yeah, walls didn't work out so well in San Antonio, the way I remember it.

All of his crap, is just the wheels coming off of the 37 year con of  Reagan's failed trickle down economics and deregulation. If the GOP wanted to continue their failed policy, they got a moron and fraud elected, which while is red meat for his base, wont play well with swing voters. The only reason that dipshit won in 2016 is not enough swing voters were familiar with him like NYC had been for decades.

If I were one of the top 1% like the Kochs or WalMart Family I would have pushed for Jeb or Romney. 

If anything good has come from his election, he lit a fire under the feet of those who know what an asshole he is.

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The other vile crap he pulled during this speech was trying to imply he had anything to do with the record number of women who made it to congress.

NO! Their running and winning was a response to his bullshit, and a response to the assault coming from the right in general on women's rights.

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But, it was nice not to see Eddy Munster sitting behind the orange turd with his tongue tossing his salad.

(February 6, 2019 at 12:04 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Isn't that the point of his entire presidency?  Hoovering up lucre for zero effort.

perfect example of indoctrinated news minded person./has no idea how well things are going.

Not to make it personal. I've been helping people like you who want to do what you do for the last 18 years get into this business. in all of that time unless you could put up your house had perfect credit AND put down almost 1/2 no one would give you a loan. no B/S under obama's rules and regulations unless we personally gave out the loans the only people we could do business with were already establish multi million dollar operations and even then they only bought every 5 years. last year we did nearly 200 loan apps and people who I thought would never get a loan were indeed approved. we got more people approved in loans last year than we have ever even taken in applications. we would tell people unless you had a 750 don't bother with a new business. not only that our business was very seasonal. for the last as long as I could remember we did not build anything customer speced till after the 2nd 90*F week  down here which is usally may or june. we took time off for the holiday and are still building taking new order for business minded people who are trying to get equipment in place for this years work load. this never happened in a bubble situation. this is all new. I am part of the infrastructure industry which is needed for basic food needs and if that base is growning so too will everything else.

but again you would never know if you listened to the news. if you wait till the news say go, you market will already be established or even over saturated. because that is the way they seem to work with trump. they wait till they can not deny the effect of his policy before they say something and even then it is a foot note.

Things have changed for the better under this president and again in my business where I help people set up businesses I can see activity on a ower operator level like I in 18 years have never seen it before.

post 9-11 business was all over the place good one week bad for a month. obama almost put us and every no corperate big business out of business with crazy taxes and im[possible red tape and regulation, now I hope lasts forever. I see alot of good people with good products moving into the world to better it and themselves. I love to see people make it. to see the mom and pop turn into a national product!

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(February 6, 2019 at 12:43 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(February 6, 2019 at 12:30 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, at least he got his story straight.  He's told it before, but said it was San Antonio. Which is 150 miles from the US-Mexico border.

Boru

Yeah, walls didn't work out so well in San Antonio, the way I remember it.

that's because the 'problem' was already across the boarder.

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(February 6, 2019 at 12:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(February 6, 2019 at 12:43 pm)Yonadav Wrote: Yeah, walls didn't work out so well in San Antonio, the way I remember it.

All of his crap, is just the wheels coming off of the 37 year con of  Reagan's failed trickle down economics and deregulation. If the GOP wanted to continue their failed policy, they got a moron and fraud elected, which while is red meat for his base, wont play well with swing voters. The only reason that dipshit won in 2016 is not enough swing voters were familiar with him like NYC had been for decades.

If I were one of the top 1% like the Kochs or WalMart Family I would have pushed for Jeb or Romney. 

If anything good has come from his election, he lit a fire under the feet of those who know what an asshole he is.

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The other vile crap he pulled during this speech was trying to imply he had anything to do with the record number of women who made it to congress.

NO! Their running and winning was a response to his bullshit, and a response to the assault coming from the right in general on women's rights.

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But, it was nice not to see Eddy Munster sitting behind the orange turd with his tongue tossing his salad.

moron... it's working.. now right now.. less tax companies issuing raises most places around here are pushing 15 an hour now even befre the min get mandated to that. companies investing in larger spaces more equipment newer equipment which means those companies hire more staff sell more stuff order more to keep up with demand ect...

like it or not retard this system works and if you ever got off your as and made some thing sold something or took a product to market you would have so idea of how it works not in theory but in actual dollars and cents practice! you would see it in your store front you would feel it in your bank account you would know it when you had to order more just to keep up with demand, and then in turn you would have to pay more to keep the good trained workers from going because it literal cost doubble to have a 10 an hour guy try and do 1 20 dollar an hour job, when it is just much easier and chaeper to give the 20 dollar guy 3 extra bucks an hour and or better benfits.

What Bwian can't get through his head is that much of the Democratic base actively dislikes the Democratic Party. In theory, the majority of Americans self identify as Democrats, but only because so many have nowhere else to go. Politically aware liberals just aren't very big fans.

Why? Because the Democrats who would later become the New Democrats were Wonald Weagan's biggest supporters. The Republicans resisted Weaganomics. It is the Democrats who pushed Weagonomics through. Reaganomics and the economics of the New Democrats are basically the same thing. Sure, the New Democrats are perfectly happy to let Reagan's legacy take the criticism for trickle down, but the Democrats are the ones who pushed it through.

Brian, please read the following article. It was just published yesterday, and it covers a lot of ground that I have tried to discuss with you recently.

https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/20...ate-000879

(February 6, 2019 at 12:00 pm)Yonadav Wrote: I watched like maybe 15 minutes of it last night. It just made me jealous of Trump's speech writers. I'll bet that job pays really well, and it's got to be the easiest job ever. His speech sounded like a compilation of Trump's Greatest Tweets. All you have to do is save up his tweets, clean them up a little bit, string them together, and add a little bit of filler. Somebody's making some sweet, sweet cash for that shit.

This is one thing we can agree on. 

I wonder how many napkins his writers used to write it. Trump would have done better with a "See And Say The Orange Turd Says".

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(February 6, 2019 at 1:42 pm)Yonadav Wrote: What Bwian can't get through his head is that much of the Democratic base actively dislikes the Democratic Party. In theory, the majority of Americans self identify as Democrats, but only because so many have nowhere else to go. Politically aware liberals just aren't very big fans.

Why? Because the Democrats who would later become the New Democrats were Wonald Weagan's biggest supporters. The Republicans resisted Weaganomics. It is the Democrats who pushed Weagonomics through. Reaganomics and the economics of the New Democrats are basically the same thing. Sure, the New Democrats are perfectly happy to let Reagan's legacy take the criticism for trickle down, but the Democrats are the ones who pushed it through.

Brian, please read the following article. It was just published yesterday, and it covers a lot of ground that I have tried to discuss with you recently.

https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/20...ate-000879

Um, no this is misleading.

 The biggest part of our decline had NOTHING to do with democrats AS VOTERS, but Reagan successfully busting the air traffic control unions. That broke the will of the rust belt voters. What this article is saying is true, but not the way you think.

Our politicians lost the narrative, and instead of fighting back, bent over to compete with him. And since Reagan, between voter apathy on our part, and gerrymandering on the GOP part, that forced our politicians to play by their narrative.

Our politicians back then gave up, that is not the same as what AOC is doing now. 

If both parties thought like FDR or Teddy, back then, Reagan never would have won. But only one party started that decline, and that was the GOP. The only thing you can blame democrats for is giving up and too much compromise at that time.

The parties flipped during the 60s and 70s on social and economic issues, and that ended with Reagan starting our decline.

(February 6, 2019 at 2:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(February 6, 2019 at 12:00 pm)Yonadav Wrote: I watched like maybe 15 minutes of it last night. It just made me jealous of Trump's speech writers. I'll bet that job pays really well, and it's got to be the easiest job ever. His speech sounded like a compilation of Trump's Greatest Tweets. All you have to do is save up his tweets, clean them up a little bit, string them together, and add a little bit of filler. Somebody's making some sweet, sweet cash for that shit.

This is one thing we can agree on. 

I wonder how many napkins his writers used to write it. Trump would have done better with a "See And Say The Orange Turd Says".

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(February 6, 2019 at 1:42 pm)Yonadav Wrote: What Bwian can't get through his head is that much of the Democratic base actively dislikes the Democratic Party. In theory, the majority of Americans self identify as Democrats, but only because so many have nowhere else to go. Politically aware liberals just aren't very big fans.

Why? Because the Democrats who would later become the New Democrats were Wonald Weagan's biggest supporters. The Republicans resisted Weaganomics. It is the Democrats who pushed Weagonomics through. Reaganomics and the economics of the New Democrats are basically the same thing. Sure, the New Democrats are perfectly happy to let Reagan's legacy take the criticism for trickle down, but the Democrats are the ones who pushed it through.

Brian, please read the following article. It was just published yesterday, and it covers a lot of ground that I have tried to discuss with you recently.

https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/20...ate-000879

Um, no this is misleading.

 The biggest part of our decline had NOTHING to do with democrats AS VOTERS, but Reagan successfully busting the air traffic control unions. That broke the will of the rust belt voters. What this article is saying is true, but not the way you think.

Our politicians lost the narrative, and instead of fighting back, bent over to compete with him. And since Reagan, between voter apathy on our part, and gerrymandering on the GOP part, that forced our politicians to play by their narrative.

Our politicians back then gave up, that is not the same as what AOC is doing now. 

If both parties thought like FDR or Teddy, back then, Reagan never would have won. But only one party started that decline, and that was the GOP. The only thing you can blame democrats for is giving up and too much compromise at that time.

The parties flipped during the 60s and 70s on social and economic issues, and that ended with Reagan starting our decline.

So you started out with an off topic rant about Reaganomics, and I gave you an interesting article about Democratic complicity.
Then you move the goalpost to a rant about Reagan's union busting. Well, the Dems also turned their backs on organized labor.
I know that you didn't read the article that I gave you. You really should read it.

(February 6, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Yonadav Wrote:

(February 6, 2019 at 2:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote: This is one thing we can agree on. 

I wonder how many napkins his writers used to write it. Trump would have done better with a "See And Say The Orange Turd Says".

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Um, no this is misleading.

 The biggest part of our decline had NOTHING to do with democrats AS VOTERS, but Reagan successfully busting the air traffic control unions. That broke the will of the rust belt voters. What this article is saying is true, but not the way you think.

Our politicians lost the narrative, and instead of fighting back, bent over to compete with him. And since Reagan, between voter apathy on our part, and gerrymandering on the GOP part, that forced our politicians to play by their narrative.

Our politicians back then gave up, that is not the same as what AOC is doing now. 

If both parties thought like FDR or Teddy, back then, Reagan never would have won. But only one party started that decline, and that was the GOP. The only thing you can blame democrats for is giving up and too much compromise at that time.

The parties flipped during the 60s and 70s on social and economic issues, and that ended with Reagan starting our decline.

So you started out with an off topic rant about Reaganomics, and I gave you an interesting article about Democratic complicity.
Then you move the goalpost to a rant about Reagan's union busting. Well, the Dems also turned their backs on organized labor.
I know that you didn't read the article that I gave you. You really should read it.

And you cant read.

I explained to you why that "complicity" happened.

WE GAVE UP as voters. That in turn forced our politicians to play by the GOP narrative and compete with them. 

To say Trump is good for us is FUCKING BULLSHIT PERIOD!

He is not Lincoln's GOP or even Teddy's GOP. And there is no way Reagan could get nominated on today's GOP ticket regardless.

The GOP is the party of billionaires. The party of greed. They have no interest in helping anyone but oil companies and Walmart class.

What you have been seeing recently since the "occupy movement" is an awakening by the left and labor that has slowly since started to force our politicians to grow a backbone.

(February 6, 2019 at 3:13 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(February 6, 2019 at 2:57 pm)Yonadav Wrote: So you started out with an off topic rant about Reaganomics, and I gave you an interesting article about Democratic complicity.
Then you move the goalpost to a rant about Reagan's union busting. Well, the Dems also turned their backs on organized labor.
I know that you didn't read the article that I gave you. You really should read it.

And you cant read.

I explained to you why that "complicity" happened.

WE GAVE UP as voters. That in turn forced our politicians to play by the GOP narrative and compete with them. 

To say Trump is good for us is FUCKING BULLSHIT PERIOD!

He is not Lincoln's GOP or even Teddy's GOP. And there is no way Reagan could get nominated on today's GOP ticket regardless.

The GOP is the party of billionaires. The party of greed. They have no interest in helping anyone but oil companies and Walmart class.

What you have been seeing recently since the "occupy movement" is an awakening by the left and labor that has slowly since started to force our politicians to grow a backbone.

Oh shut the fuck up. Who the hell said that Trump was good. You're having a ridiculous heated argument with a figment of your imagination again. You don't know your own party. You idiotically think that any attack on the New Democrats is a defense of the Republicans and Wonald Weagan. You need to learn the factions within the party that you think that you belong to. Read the rest of the article, because I know that you only scanned part of it near the beginning.

The New Democrats are also a faction that represents billionaires. Those billionaires pay the New Democrats so well that Hillary thought that she basically owned the party.