(March 5, 2019 at 2:20 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.

Am wizz m'self laughin' that Drich is referenceing a movie of all things to support his claims.

Can I reference Mathew Broderic in 'War games' to boleter my views on 1980's cold war politics?

Jigger me sideways Drich's poets are a good laugh sometimes!

what's really funny is now you get it even if I had to borrow from a pop culture source.. but only if there was some biblical precedent of borrowing from popculture to illustrate a story in the bible and tie it to a much broader but refined principle... Something like taking a story and PARALELLING it with a principle law or truth that maybe harder to understand for someone with little to know understanding of godly things but with a good working understanding of popular culture...
hmmm

  Hey pee-ho(le) I talking about a Parable.

You know the stories Jesus used to connect people familiar with their popular culture and assigned meaning to his story by illustrating his points in a way people can understand more easily.




Pop culture has changed sport.. people's understanding of God has not. So they need something they can relate to and what more reliable way than a movie everyone has seen, change one or two plot points and next thing you know you have a sunday school lesson.

It's called teaching... is it so strange a concept to you that someone would be here trying to educate others or at least give them a better understanding of what they hate? Never crossed you mind we are not all here to just hate each other?

(March 5, 2019 at 3:35 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 5, 2019 at 2:20 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Am wizz m'self laughin' that Drich is referenceing a movie of all things to support his claims.

Can I reference Mathew Broderic in 'War games' to boleter my views on 1980's cold war politics?

Jigger me sideways Drich's poets are a good laugh sometimes!

what's really funny is now you get it even if I had to borrow from a pop culture source.. but only if there was some biblical precedent of borrowing from popculture to illustrate a story in the bible and tie it to a much broader but refined principle... Something like taking a story and PARALELLING it with a principle law or truth that maybe harder to understand for someone with little to know understanding of godly things but with a good working understanding of popular culture...
hmmm

  Hey pee-ho(le) I talking about a Parable.

You know the stories Jesus used to connect people familiar with their popular culture and assigned meaning to his story by illustrating his points in a way people can understand more easily.




Pop culture has changed sport.. people's understanding of God has not. So they need something they can relate to and what more reliable way than a movie everyone has seen, change one or two plot points and next thing you know you have a sunday school lesson.

It's called teaching... is it so strange a concept to you that someone would be here trying to educate others or at least give them a better understanding of what they hate? Never crossed you mind we are not all here to just hate each other?

 You... seem to be really reaching there Drich.

 I am finding it amusing that, as evidence to bolster your point, the very best you could seem to do was reffer to a movie.

 Not a documentary. Not some scolastic, peer reveiwed work or collection of statistics but a piece of entertainment.

Hence my comment of some one, or I, attempting to make some insightful comments about cold war America... only to reffer to "War Games' starring Michael Broderic as supposed supporting evidence for said claims.

That you're continuing to try and run with you narrative as opposed to rebutting my remarks would also seem also to be par for the course with yourself as you relate to every one else on the forum.

As for "Peoples understanding of god has not changed" ?

Gee... that's odd. I would actually seem to think people's understanding of your diety has changed a great deal. Unless you still think things such as slavery are a good, moral choice for people to keep doing in this modern age as opposed to back when technology was still in the bronze age.

Not at work.

(March 5, 2019 at 3:09 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I do not have a preconception. I just do not believe what theists have claimed.

surly you understand not everything in your life you have proof for is testable by science right?? Science has no idea what consciousness is yet there is not a waking moment you do not enjoy it. We can't even say for sure how love works... yes some try to attribute to chemical changes in the brain but love is far more binding that a chemical bath, the same is true with hate. That is just in your own little field of experiences. That said God does not require endless faith either. God gives us all a mustard seed's worth of faith. a small amount where we choose to put it in. whether that be with God or with in this case man.

(March 5, 2019 at 1:28 pm)Drich Wrote: People have been polarized no in betweens when it come to church and science. to the point they make movies about it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God%27s_Not_Dead_(film)

This is a film that describes much of the scholastic climate towards people of faith and 'science. where a man of faith is ridiculed and fails his class because he will not deny God, and while you may try and poo poo on the level of personal hate the professor has toward people of faith, this is how a large portion of the world see people of science. something you claim does not exist.

Quote:This film is a propaganda that misrepresents both science and education. particularly in one of the most heavily theocratic countries in the world. Remember that in the US it is the atheists who face discrimination from the theists.

propaganda for whom? The move give christians hope in their belief so they can coexist with people who think less of them for their beliefs. how is that propaganda? or is that a term you do not understand? is it ow just a pop culture word that means one sided?

again this may not repersent everyone but many do experience this and feel this way. Look at this web site and just look at how you all react to christians no matter how nice they are. Catholic Lady being a good example of a well meaning well tempered person who came here looking for people she could simply be friends with, and look at how she was received and ultimately left! you can't tell me people of science are not polarized in their belief. if you believe this you are lying to yourself.

Quote:Your "collecting data" seems to be all anecdote and nothing that actually consistutes anything even beginning to resemble evidence.

you are an intellectually dishonest liar if this is what you believe. I AM THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN AND DOES PROVIDES LINKS TO EVERYTHING EVERYTHING I DISCUSS. You all use you own names as 'proof' of content. while I use actual articles and text. there is no one else on this web site who quote more source material than I do. Second reason why? I am despite what you people tell yourself a engineer by trade and business owner. As a course of natural action I always look everything up and note it when ever anything is created implimented or changed. as I always look back and want to know who and why something I designed or is in current production has changed! as a matter of course I always look up any subect I discuss. usally by the rule of three meaning I always have three sources.. So tell me again you have enugh evidence on me to make the assertion I do not understand science. then I will ask for your proof.

(March 5, 2019 at 1:28 pm)Drich Wrote: This shows you have failed in everything in your lat post. which means you are beyond stupid or you are so emotionally driven to the point, you should not be speaking to anyone one about anything scientific. as your truth is defined by how you feel and not vetted fact.

Quote:I am not emotionally driven as I couldn't give a toss whether atheism is true or theism is true it just so happen that there atheism is the only stance that is possible to a thinking person in the modern world.

caucasian please.. in the realm of science (what yo experience and what every other douche (who doesn't know how their computers work/or anything else) you consumers you witnesses of 'science' don't lend yourselves to put thought ito anything. YOU ARE TOLD BY PEOPLE LIKE ME WHAT TO THINK BECAUSE WE SAID SO. fancy yourself a think man do ya squirt? Show me YOUR Work on evolution (not what others said or think show me the results of your ORIGINAL EXPERIMENTS the work you've done on matter and energy show me something other than your consumer status and I might be inclined to agree you have contributed something in the way of thought. Otherwise know there is nothing different between you and some little post high school kid sitting in a class room being indoctrinated somewhere in china or north korea.. You are taught be design how to only accept information if it come prepackaged a certain way it must be vetted and certified through certain channels.. which is why the news kept saying it was the uneducated who elected trump. meaning it was everyone who would not accept the national narrative/pre packaged information they where told to accept. You are no different with the 'science' you have no connction to aside from taking on faith what you are told is true. Do me a favor and read this next bit aloud: Baaaaa Baaaaaa (you know the sound a sheep makes)

However on God's side, he say it does take a measure of faith but if you give that faith to him you can ask anything of him and he will move mountains of doubt to ensure you know what you believe is true. From then one what you become will be a matter of your own limitations and ablity to remain faithful to God.

Quote:As you have never presented anything that counts as evidence you are a bit cheeky in claiming "Stacks of it".

I provided so much evidence that if this where a trial You'd be put to death on my word. but that is not what you are looking for is it? you want the paradoxical evidence that one given disprooves God.

Sorry sport God does not work that way. (kinda a net result of being smarter than you sciency types.)

Quote:You have not shown my faulty logic,

Indeed I have when I showed you where attempting to make a scientific assertion to my ability to reason in a scientific way, yet you exclude any of the tell tale markers of research or unemotional reasoning. In fact the sum total of your scientific knowledge seems to begin and end with your "word" which seems to be based on sterotypical insults and other forms of trolling.

Quote:I don't think you know what logic is and as to my lack of intellectual activity I can only assume that my lofty thoughts are just to rarefied for your limited mental capacity to comprehend.

lofty thought... without the tell tale signs of research or higher reasoning. you cite nothing your make no examples you just charge or accuse. everything is off the cuff, everything is polarized if I say the sky is blue you would say it was black If I say yes you say no... there is not thought in any of that there is no reasoning just oppsition.. My intellectually slow friend this is not signs of a 'lofty intellect.'

Quote:Have I called you names?

I call you names because honestly I do not even know which one of you I am speaking with at the moment. If you got an average of 10 to 20 hate mails aday and felt like you had to answer each one line by line.. you'd forget who was who from time to time and just speak of the truth written on page. You are just another voice needing to be broken down a little more till you are ready to hear something different, So I go through these motions till you wear yourself out and are ready to discus the truth.. then you get to be a person again.

Quote:I don't remember calling you names, but then these little posts between us are not something I care to retain. I will forget this in a minute.

who are you again? Down beaten plumb.. yes you have made remarks just look at the next paragraph and then look at your last post. same lazy attempt that i called you one back then!

Quote:You do seem to have very limited knowledge on practically every sphere of human learning though, biology, history, science and chemistry your ignorance seems to be unrestrained.

what a douche did I not just call you out on doing this very same thing?!?!? You have made no effort in determining my cognitivablities let alone test me in any consistent way as to determine how far my knowledge in any of those subjects are.. the fact that this is your second attempt even after me telling you of this mistake you are compelled beyond reasoning to use the very same insult is telling of your psyche.. You are projecting your greatest fear/insults onto me.. in that these are the areas you would be obliterated if I could prove you inepth in. Otherwise why bring them up a second time after I had already shown you have done no testing to support any of those charges!!!

This is lazy parenting at best.. maybe this is how your dad reigned you in but this is not going to work here with me sport. maybe you need to just bully your kids with that unfounded crap as no one here is going for it.

Proof sport your digs lack support and proof. do you see how I reference what you say show how you fail and back it up with working examples to prove your failure? That is how smart analytical people work and do things.. Slow emotional people just point to people and list out negative qualities with no rhyme or reason, it is just words to then that create a negative vibe or emotion.. for instance, again nothing you said proved I lacked in any of the areas of education. you just randomly listed fundamentals of basic learning.. again as an emotional attack or dig.. meaning your prize the effect of bring negative feelings over fact which conclusively show you are not analytical/science minded person..

check.

(March 5, 2019 at 1:28 pm)Drich Wrote: However nothing in the bible says God can only work against scientific knowledge and beyond the eventual understanding of man.

I believe that all of the archeological, historical, cultural and linguistic evidence is that the Bible is a naturalistic work of ancient peoples and their literature and cultural, nothing more.

I saw Drich mention the movie God's not dead...
How curious I saw this review just recently




Have fun!

(March 5, 2019 at 4:36 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  You... seem to be really reaching there Drich.

 I am finding it amusing that, as evidence to bolster your point, the very best you could seem to do was reffer to a movie.

Your just jelly because you've been out smarted by something so simple and foolish a child could understand it, yet you do not argue the implication or point just the methodology. meaning the point or purpose i employed such a tactic worked, but you feel off put at how simple something that has escaped you was demonstrated.

Quote: Not a documentary. Not some scholastic, peer reviewed work or collection of statistics but a piece of entertainment.

again sport Jesus used these very same methods. He took everyday stories of people and situation even scandelous ones illustrated them and brough people an understand of something so complex most intellectual fail to grasp it and put these things in the grasp of children..

Do you know how hard it is to create something simple like that or to see a parable being played out in something like a movie and the tie it to a principle Jesus taught in an air tight way?
It is not easy or all f you would do it.

Quote:Hence my comment of some one, or I, attempting to make some insightful comments about cold war America... only to reffer to "War Games' starring Michael Broderic as supposed supporting evidence for said claims.

in your mind what would disqualify the movie IF IFwhat the movie protrays is 100% accurate?
Why is it so strange to you to identify truth in something trivial?

Didn't einstein say if you can not explain a concept to a child then you yourself do not understand it?

When teaching "we" must teach to the slowest person in the room, which is why I get so much greif. However if I tarted a lecture in basic hermenutics and or koine greek inflectional verbs (words who meaning change depending on how or what part of the word youemhasise) no one would care or would comment. I even had a semi basic bible study in the book of roman that seemd to shoot over everyone head and all i got was people talking about the election or the game. But when I draw out a principle in a way you can see it play out because that part matches up with a movie then viola we get dialog.

So now you know God is not a magic wizard and the bible supports this not just a movie, but you also know Jesus taught in a simlar way using parables.

Quote:That you're continuing to try and run with you narrative as opposed to rebutting my remarks would also seem also to be par for the course with yourself as you relate to every one else on the forum.

Again if this teaching style is Good enough for Jesus then I'm sure it will work for me as well. even if you do not understand it all the way.

Quote:As for "Peoples understanding of god has not changed" ?

Gee... that's odd. I would actually seem to think people's understanding of your diety has changed a great deal. Unless you still think things such as slavery are a good,

without slavery we would still be monkeys living in the trees. In fact the world current economy would crash and approximately 5 billion people would die/starve to death if not for modern day forms of slavery.

Quote: moral choice for people to keep doing in this modern age as opposed to back when technology was still in the bronze age.

yu are a self deluded fool. slavery is alive and well dummy.just google modern day examples of slavery... you will soon see you would not be able to afford to eat, you would have no fresh produce. meat would be out of the question. then we move on to rawmaterials, meaning there is not a raw material produced in the world with a slaves finger print put on it. which means all of your products you gadgets your car your house your air con the infrastructure (power lines roads and utlites) would not be possible without modern day slaves.

You don't know it but what you mean to say is chattle slavery is all but gone. which is not the same thing as slavery outlined in the bible.

Slavery in the bible works out like a soceity without a currency standard. Imagine a society which was trade based. imagine if you had nothig to trade but dude you know is offering a 20 acre farm stocked with all th things you need to make it on your own. but you have nothing to trade except yourself/labor. so then Rather than let people make their own rules God steps in and says these trades for time of a man's life must be tightly regulated meaning everything must be fair. and you can not over charge.. which is basically what is happening in the world slave trade today except there is no God or oversite to make sure things are fair. just because people like you want to pat themselves on the back for not being bronze age immoral people.

What a foolish douche.

https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-toda...n-slavery/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in...st_century (by the definitions provided by state owned slaves all the people in north korea china and russia are slaves. Or any other communal government subsidized form of living. (which could include people in the us on welfare)

Slavery is alive and well my friend because people like you are not smart enough to see past a name. Now without it 2/3 of the world dies.. So which is the greater evil my 'moral' friend.. ending all slavery thus crashing the world ecconomy resulting in 1/2 to 2/3of the population of the world dying in a short amount of time?

OR

IDK have God put laws on our slavery to make sure the slaver workers get a good deal and can make a good life for themselves after their term is up?

Or

what you are doing pretending slavery does not exist and slave owner treat their slaves in an uchecked way and basically work them till they can't work any more. Just so you can pretend to be more moral than god.

Drich,

The Jesus Seminar, which consisted of over a dozen of the most prominent Biblical scholars and dozens of other contributing scholars, coded the entire Gospel of John with black beads (used to vote on whether the group of scholars thought that a particular phrase was actually spoken by the historical Jesus), which means that they believed that not a single sentence in the entire gospel of John was, in fact, spoken by the historical Jesus.

Do you agree with their scholarly analysis and conclusions?  If not, why not?

(March 5, 2019 at 5:37 pm)Drich Wrote:

(March 5, 2019 at 4:36 pm)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote:  You... seem to be really reaching there Drich.

 I am finding it amusing that, as evidence to bolster your point, the very best you could seem to do was reffer to a movie.

Your just jelly because you've been out smarted by something so simple and foolish a child could understand it, yet you do not argue the implication or point just the methodology. meaning the point or purpose i employed such a tactic worked, but you feel off put at how simple something that has escaped you was demonstrated.

Quote: Not a documentary. Not some scholastic, peer reviewed work or collection of statistics but a piece of entertainment.

again sport Jesus used these very same methods. He took everyday stories of people and situation even scandelous ones illustrated them and brough people an understand of something so complex most intellectual fail to grasp it and put these things in the grasp of children..

Do you know how hard it is to create something simple like that or to see a parable being played out in something like a movie and the tie it to a principle Jesus taught in an air tight way?
It is not easy or all f you would do it.

Quote:Hence my comment of some one, or I, attempting to make some insightful comments about cold war America... only to reffer to "War Games' starring Michael Broderic as supposed supporting evidence for said claims.

in your mind what would disqualify the movie IF IFwhat the movie protrays is 100% accurate?
Why is it so strange to you to identify truth in something trivial?

Didn't einstein say if you can not explain a concept to a child then you yourself do not understand it?

When teaching "we" must teach to the slowest person in the room, which is why I get so much greif. However if I tarted a lecture in basic hermenutics and or koine greek inflectional verbs (words who meaning change depending on how or what part of the word youemhasise) no one would care or would comment. I even had a semi basic bible study in the book of roman that seemd to shoot over everyone head and all i got was people talking about the election or the game. But when I draw out a principle in a way you can see it play out because that part matches up with a movie then viola we get dialog.

So now you know God is not a magic wizard and the bible supports this not just a movie, but you also know Jesus taught in a simlar way using parables.

Quote:That you're continuing to try and run with you narrative as opposed to rebutting my remarks would also seem also to be par for the course with yourself as you relate to every one else on the forum.

Again if this teaching style is Good enough for Jesus then I'm sure it will work for me as well. even if you do not understand it all the way.

Quote:As for "Peoples understanding of god has not changed" ?

Gee... that's odd. I would actually seem to think people's understanding of your diety has changed a great deal. Unless you still think things such as slavery are a good,

without slavery we would still be monkeys living in the trees. In fact the world current economy would crash and approximately 5 billion people would die/starve to death if not for modern day forms of slavery.

Quote: moral choice for people to keep doing in this modern age as opposed to back when technology was still in the bronze age.

yu are a self deluded fool. slavery is alive and well dummy.just google modern day examples of slavery... you will soon see you would not be able to afford to eat, you would have no fresh produce. meat would be out of the question. then we move on to rawmaterials, meaning there is not a raw material produced in the world with a slaves finger print put on it. which means all of your products you gadgets your car your house your air con the infrastructure (power lines roads and utlites) would not be possible without modern day slaves.

You don't know it but what you mean to say is chattle slavery is all but gone. which is not the same thing as slavery outlined in the bible.

Slavery in the bible works out like a soceity without a currency standard. Imagine a society which was trade based. imagine if you had nothig to trade but dude you know is offering a 20 acre farm stocked with all th things you need to make it on your own. but you have nothing to trade except yourself/labor. so then Rather than let people make their own rules God steps in and says these trades for time of a man's life must be tightly regulated meaning everything must be fair. and you can not over charge.. which is basically what is happening in the world slave trade today except there is no God or oversite to make sure things are fair. just because people like you want to pat themselves on the back for not being bronze age immoral people.

What a foolish douche.

https://www.antislavery.org/slavery-toda...n-slavery/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in...st_century (by the definitions provided by state owned slaves all the people in north korea china and russia are slaves. Or any other communal government subsidized form of living.  (which could include people in the us on welfare)

Slavery is alive and well my friend because people like you are not smart enough to see past a name. Now without it 2/3 of the world dies.. So which is the greater evil my 'moral' friend.. ending all slavery thus crashing the world ecconomy resulting in 1/2 to 2/3of the population of the world dying in a short amount of time?

OR

IDK have God put laws on our slavery to make sure the slaver workers get a good deal and can make a good life for themselves after their term is up?

Or

what you are doing pretending slavery does not exist and slave owner treat their slaves in an uchecked way and basically work them till they can't work any more. Just so you can pretend to be more moral than god.

I've been out smarted? Yah, you keep posting what you think is reality Drich.
So.. you were trying for... what again with the link to that movie?
Oh, 'Teaching' people with parables. SO you weren't trying to use the movie to actually do something, like, add evidence to back up your position?
Why accept , or not accept as the case maybe, a movie even if it presents facts?
Oh, I don't know. Maybe for the same reason I wouldn't present mathew Broderic in 'War Games' as evidence to support any claims I might make about the 80's cold war situation.
Generally because 90% of most movies are simply works of fiction Drich.
If you really want to add things that supposrt your position/argument you'd be better to use things like actual research about the subject from actual experts?

Oh goody! Now I see we're getting into slavery appologetics.
So... you can't see 'Wage slave' as not being synonimous with actual slavery?
What next? You'll be saying that the prison system is just 'The state' keeping people as slaves at it's whim?
As I've seen others try and defend the slavery written about in the book (And fail misserably) I suppose you'll feel the need to now choose that hill to die on.
Since it would seem that no one can disparrage your book of holies.

A book which, as you yourself just posted, was written by people who weren't smart enough or developed enough to have or use currency.
But currency was being used by the many empires and cultures around them?

Yah, maybe I'm miss speaking and that's not what you're meaning at all.

Oh! There's something I missed.

"With out slavery we'd still be monkeys in trees."

I am rather hesitant to guess as to what you're trying to alude to with this.
I'll go with you trying to infer that all societies as they grown up, developed etc over the many millenia have engaged IN actual slavery so as to build themselves up into the power houses that they were?
Because then you make the claim that with out the things you're then equating back to beig the same as slavery our society would collapse etc.

Meh, just the fact you're appologetic to your holy books stance on slavery is enough for me to walk away from this part of the conversation.
Is good to see more of your thoughts come out, though.

From my side of the screen your words are not painting a very appealing picture of your mind.

Not at work.

(March 5, 2019 at 5:06 pm)pocaracas Wrote: I saw Drich mention the movie God's not dead...
How curious I saw this review just recently




Have fun!

with what? or did you miss the point because you stop thinking when you saw the title and negative review?

What's the point of talking about a batshit movie or the "scholastic climate"?  Go straight to the timeless and ineffable source!  

New Magic Book told you that you'd be persecuted wherever you go.