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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 8:59 am
(April 9, 2019 at 10:28 am)Acrobat Wrote: (April 9, 2019 at 10:10 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: Thanks. So you're not a theist (someone who believes a god or God is actually real)? To be clear, as an atheist I have no problem agreeing that God is a belief.
No I think God exists, is actually real (That life truly signifies something, rather than nothing).
Now of course you may not agree with this definition of God, though actual theist would have less of an issue with it than you do.
I don't see a problem with the definition, everyone gets to have their own version of the God they believe in. Is your version the creator and designer of the universe, or just a signifier?
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 9:02 am
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Does it have a personal relationship with you, intervening in your life.... does it sustain this world?
Everyone can have their own definitions of anything, whether they're cogent or refer to the thing that anyone else is talking about is another story. Not that it matters, in this case, since we're dealing with dishonesty, not his definition of a god, lol. Going by his comments alone, he's an atheist who believes that life has meaning.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 9:09 am
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(April 9, 2019 at 11:24 am)Acrobat Wrote: [quote='Gae Bolga' pid='1899031' dateline='1554822240']
Deism isn't a form of theism, pantheism is. The clue is in...wait for it...theism.
The term atheism was coined in direct response to theistic claims, but has come to include anyone who doesn't believe in gods, including deists gods - though deists and pantheists actually have been called and considered atheists, historically.
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[quote='Acrobat' pid='1899040' dateline='1554823470']
Ah, so deist are atheist?
No, and Gae didn't say they were. He said they've been CALLED atheists (for not being conventional theists) and that is true.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 9:12 am
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This guy doesn't believe in any of that nonsense. None of the theistic or deistic gods are the thing he's referring to when he uses the term, none of the things we're thinking of as atheists, those things, has anything to do with his "god".
He just means that life has meaning. He's an atheist, lol.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 9:16 am
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(April 10, 2019 at 8:28 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: (April 10, 2019 at 4:13 am)Acrobat Wrote: Like what? Some subjective agreed upon goal, such as we shouldn’t do things that are harmful? IDK, we'll have to wait and see. Though it's probably a bit like asking what makes you so dense, don't you think? If harm is what makes things bad, harmful things are bad things regardless of whether or not we agree not to do them. We've been over this more than once.
Harm doesn’t make thing bad, it’s the I ought not do harm that makes it bad. Absent of such a goal, harm is just harm.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 9:17 am
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Do you want me to explain the difference between moral property making and moral compulsion, again? It;s pretty simple, IDK why you're arguing with me about this, you're also arguing with yourself in the process.
A thing may be bad, but that doesn't mean that everyone will agree that it is, or that everyone who agrees that it is will agree not to do it, or that we ought not do it. It doesn't even mean that people who do agree that the thing is bad and we ought not do it....won't do it. Oughts flow from one is, and an evaluative premise. The is, in a realist morality, is -is bad-.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 9:18 am
So what point is Acrobat attempting to make? I'd ask him myself, but he keeps ignoring me.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 9:19 am
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(April 10, 2019 at 9:09 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: (April 9, 2019 at 11:24 am)Acrobat Wrote: [quote='Gae Bolga' pid='1899031' dateline='1554822240']
Deism isn't a form of theism, pantheism is. The clue is in...wait for it...theism.
The term atheism was coined in direct response to theistic claims, but has come to include anyone who doesn't believe in gods, including deists gods - though deists and pantheists actually have been called and considered atheists, historically.
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Ah, so deist are atheist?
No, and Gae didn't say they were. He said they've been CALLED atheists (for not being conventional theists) and that is true.
Christians have also been called atheists, because they rejected pagan gods.
Regardless the point remains deism is a type of theism.
(April 10, 2019 at 9:17 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Do you want me to explain the difference between moral property making and moral compulsion, again? Those are your terms not mine, so please explain them and their differences
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 9:22 am
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It's not, but I don't expect you to know that, because these sorts of things don't interest you and you don't actually like talking about them. You don't like talking about god beliefs anymore than you like talking about moral realism.
What you like to do, is shitpost about atheism.
(April 10, 2019 at 9:18 am)Kit Wrote: So what point is Acrobat attempting to make? I'd ask him myself, but he keeps ignoring me.
That moral realism relies on gods, but he doesn't know why or how and cant bring himself to say it.
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RE: Do you wish there's a god?
April 10, 2019 at 9:29 am
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(April 10, 2019 at 8:59 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: (April 9, 2019 at 10:28 am)Acrobat Wrote: No I think God exists, is actually real (That life truly signifies something, rather than nothing).
Now of course you may not agree with this definition of God, though actual theist would have less of an issue with it than you do.
I don't see a problem with the definition, everyone gets to have their own version of the God they believe in. Is your version the creator and designer of the universe, or just a signifier?
Sure, what ever the meaning of life is, it’s what ultimately make sense of everything, and the source of everything.
Like Plato would say, of the Good, that once seen one recognizes it as the source of everything else.
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