(May 7, 2019 at 8:48 am)Huggy Bear Wrote: Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. - Revelation 3:9

Look, Huggy. Let's just assume Farrakhan's theory is correct. That means that (for centuries) these non-Jewish pretenders have endured oppression, bigotry, and various pogroms lead by religious fanatics on account of an ethnic identity they did not possess. People have called them "Christ-killers" when (it would seem) they had nothing to do with Christ's death... because they weren't the Jews described in the Bible. Who are the real "Christ killers" who have all the while evaded this slur for so long? All the while, many of them have kept kosher laws, lived according to the Torah etc...

Even if they aren't "real Jews" (which they are) they have endured enough bullshit on account of being Jewish that they've earned their Jewish identity.

This "fake Jew" nonsense is just some bullshit cooked up by anti-semites who worship the Abrahamic god. They can't reconcile the fact that most of their beloved scriptures honor a people whom they vehemently hate. So they resort to conspiracy theories.

(May 7, 2019 at 10:04 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Even if they aren't "real Jews" (which they are) they have endured enough bullshit on account of being Jewish that they've earned their Jewish identity.

This "fake Jew" nonsense is just some bullshit cooked up by anti-semites who worship the Abrahamic god. They can't reconcile the fact that most of their beloved scriptures honor a people whom they vehemently hate. So they resort to conspiracy theories.

Or stupefyingly misguided Jews who thought that, if the Jews of today could be divorced from the Jews who supposedly killed Jesus (except they didn't because crucifixion was a Roman punishment; we know the Jews didn't bother with it because, apart from the stupefyingly stringent standard of proof required by Rabbinical courts in capital cases [so extreme that if a court executed one person in the span of 7 years, it was called a "killing court"], there are four types of capital punishment sanctioned by the Torah, and crucifixion doesn't seem to count as stoning, burning, beheading, or strangulation), then there would be no excuse for racial anti-semitism.

Yeah, Arthur Koestler really dropped the ball there.

Quote:Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. - Revelation 3:9

Which has fuck all to do with the Jews being black

---

(May 6, 2019 at 8:52 pm)Shell B Wrote: Slavery isn't happening anymore (in this context). No one is responsible for their ancestors.

But the institution of government remains

---

Quote:Slavery existed in the North AND Canada...

It barely existed in Canada till it was abolished in 1834 and need I remind you we were the end of the underground railroad that both saved hundreds of slaves .

---

Quote:Power Plus Prejudice Paradigm 

It depends on weather your talking about how it was originally put  and weather you temper it with intersectionality

Quote:Slavery existed in the North AND Canada...

Slavery has existed virtually everywhere there have been people.  Hell, my ancestors never when anywhere NEAR the northern US or Canada, and it's almost a certainty some of them were enslaved.

Boru

Tizh, Huggy Bear was using the numerous past and present injustices committed against black as a red herring as if those are actually relevant in the discussion of whether or not Louis Farrakhan is racist because he thinks Ashkenazi Jews aren’t actually Jewish.

The power plus prejudice paradigm still holds when talking about institutional racism (I’m struggling to find places or institutions where things are biased in the favor of black people and against whites outside of places like Zimbabwe.) As far as I can see, however, on an individual level, specifically in the case of Farrakhan, the point is moot, especially when he’s focusing his hate on a minority that’s spent most of recorded history fearing for their lives.

(May 7, 2019 at 4:39 pm)Amarok Wrote: But the institution of government remains

Should we not have government?

(May 7, 2019 at 7:45 pm)Shell B Wrote:

(May 7, 2019 at 4:39 pm)Amarok Wrote: But the institution of government remains

Quote:Should we not have government?

I mean the same government that is responsible for slavery in America

Well, if Trump has his way, it probably will removed. And replaced with something far more monstrous.

(May 7, 2019 at 7:43 pm)Rev. Rye Wrote: As far as I can see, however, on an individual level, specifically in the case of Farrakhan, the point is moot, especially when he’s focusing his hate on a minority that’s spent most of recorded history fearing for their lives.

So in your mind that places them above criticism?

Israeli soldiers shoot blindfolded, handcuffed Palestinian as he tried to flee

Make no mistake, Israel deserves a lot of flak for such war crimes and other assorted bullshit like this. That said, how relevant is shit like that to statements like these:

'Jews were responsible for all of this filth and degenerate behavior that Hollywood is putting out, turning men into women and women into men.'

'It is now becoming apparent that there were many Israelis and Zionist Jews in key roles in the 9/11 attacks. Israelis had foreknowledge of the attacks... We know that many Jews received a text message not to come to work on September 11'

There’s taking Israelis to task for treating Palestinians like animals, and then there’s painting the whole damn ethnic group With the same shitty brush because of some conspiratorial bullshit. Even if he was specifically condemning Israeli war crimes when he said those things, well, if I talked about how all black people were criminals after talking about some actual crime committed by a black person, how would you react? Would you be Outraged? Would you call me a bigot? Then Why the fuck is Farrakhan any different when he spouts off hateful bullshit about Jews?

Criticizing an individual for doing shitty things is fair game. Calling out a government for human rights abuses committed on its watch is honestly pretty moral. Hating an entire ethnic group because some members of it do bad things, well, to quote Ali, “Hating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong.”