(May 10, 2019 at 12:36 pm)Drich Wrote:

---

(May 10, 2019 at 12:09 pm)madog Wrote:  I answered you, you just chose to ignore the answer   

"Its not just about the immediate act, but how it effects the victims whole life "

  and I answer you, and you chose to answer you, but not in the way you where asking for a answer.. sound familiar?
Quid pro quoe sport quid pro quoe.

I'll try again, see if you can catch up  ....

I consider a 17 year old having sex with a 10 year old  wrong .... punishment, if any, is beyond my paygrade, even if you had given sufficient information to even attempt an opinion ....

But  .... I repeat ...

"Its not just about the immediate act, but how it effects the victims whole life "

You do realise that a child enjoying a violation can cause as much, if not more harm in later iife?

Same thing in Orthodoxy even though low-rank Orthodox priests are allowed to marry. And they also try to cover it up in the most shameful ways.

(May 10, 2019 at 12:53 pm)madog Wrote:

(May 10, 2019 at 12:36 pm)Drich Wrote:

---

  and I answer you, and you chose to answer you, but not in the way you where asking for a answer.. sound familiar?
Quid pro quoe sport quid pro quoe.

I'll try again, see if you can catch up  ....

I consider a 17 year old having sex with a 10 year old  wrong .... punishment, if any, is beyond my paygrade, even if you had given sufficient information to even attempt an opinion ....

But  .... I repeat ...

"Its not just about the immediate act, but how it effects the victims whole life "

You do realise that a child enjoying a violation can cause as much, if not more harm in later iife?

Or it can be used as a life lesson, build a foundation that strengthen a person's core and their abilities and sensibilities unlike anything else they can experience in life.

or it can be used to make a person a perpetual victim.

And again you did not answer my question. it was just a single moral dilemma it was a matter of several you crapped out. you only answered 1/4 of the questions asked. so in turn you get 1/4 of a response.

(May 10, 2019 at 1:22 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 10, 2019 at 12:53 pm)madog Wrote: I'll try again, see if you can catch up  ....

I consider a 17 year old having sex with a 10 year old  wrong .... punishment, if any, is beyond my paygrade, even if you had given sufficient information to even attempt an opinion ....

But  .... I repeat ...

"Its not just about the immediate act, but how it effects the victims whole life "

You do realise that a child enjoying a violation can cause as much, if not more harm in later iife?

Or it can be used as a life lesson, build a foundation that strengthen a person's core and their abilities and sensibilities unlike anything else they can experience in life.

or it can be used to make a person a perpetual victim.

And again you did not answer my question. it was just a single moral dilemma it was a matter of several you crapped out. you only answered 1/4 of the questions asked. so in turn you get 1/4 of a response.

It appears to me that you have no moral dilemas  ... you have created your own morallity and use your interpretation of an anciet book, the bible, to justify everything you want to do .....

Your questions are posed with ambiguity  ... like if I asked  ... "have you stopped beating your children?" and then expecting a yes or no answer  ... either answer reflects badly on a person answering in such a manner 

(May 10, 2019 at 1:48 pm)madog Wrote:

(May 10, 2019 at 1:22 pm)Drich Wrote: Or it can be used as a life lesson, build a foundation that strengthen a person's core and their abilities and sensibilities unlike anything else they can experience in life.

or it can be used to make a person a perpetual victim.

And again you did not answer my question. it was just a single moral dilemma it was a matter of several you crapped out. you only answered 1/4 of the questions asked. so in turn you get 1/4 of a response.

It appears to me that you have no moral dilemas  ... you have created your own morallity and use your interpretation of an anciet book, the bible, to justify everything you want to do .....

Your questions are posed with ambiguity  ... like if I asked  ... "have you stopped beating your children?" and then expecting a yes or no answer  ... either answer reflects badly on a person answering in such a manner 

You are wrong. I simply do not judge behavior with popular moral standards.

I can identify and adhere to the law I can identify what soceity deems as right and wrong, but I can also see these right and wrong judgements are based on a sliding scale in most cases. meaning I do not always share what is right and what s wrong simply because it is the popular standard. My standard come from a standard that does not change. it is not the rule from which one ascribes to be an OT Jew but from a place of love/Agape' Love for God and love for my neighbor in the same proportion as I have for myself. meaning my own instinctual self preservational desires regulate and extend my efforts to my neighbors on par with all that I would do for my self. 

This far exceeds any trivial en masse decision/morality of what is right and what is wrong in this moment. my love for my neighbor will happily see me to break any moral code to secure for them anything I see myself in need of. like wise service to my God is not bound by such trivial demands that change fast than political correctness.

Big picture sport not what mouth breathers demand is fair and or equitable for the moment. What if good for the species what is good for the indivisual even if right now they are in pain.

Don't limit yourself by what pop culture define as moral as it is most often wrong.

(May 10, 2019 at 2:18 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 10, 2019 at 1:48 pm)madog Wrote: It appears to me that you have no moral dilemas  ... you have created your own morallity and use your interpretation of an anciet book, the bible, to justify everything you want to do .....

Your questions are posed with ambiguity  ... like if I asked  ... "have you stopped beating your children?" and then expecting a yes or no answer  ... either answer reflects badly on a person answering in such a manner 

You are wrong. I simply do not judge behavior with popular moral standards.

I can identify and adhere to the law I can identify what soceity deems as right and wrong, but I can also see these right and wrong judgements are based on a sliding scale in most cases. meaning I do not always share what is right and what s wrong simply because it is the popular standard. My standard come from a standard that does not change. it is not the rule from which one ascribes to be an OT Jew but from a place of love/Agape' Love for God and love for my neighbor in the same proportion as I have for myself. meaning my own instinctual self preservational desires regulate and extend my efforts to my neighbors on par with all that I would do for my self. 

This far exceeds any trivial en masse decision/morality of what is right and what is wrong in this moment. my love for my neighbor will happily see me to break any moral code to secure for them anything I see myself in need of. like wise service to my God is not bound by such trivial demands that change fast than political correctness.

Big picture sport not what mouth breathers demand is fair and or equitable for the moment. What if good for the species what is good for the indivisual even if right now they are in pain.

Don't limit yourself by what pop culture define as moral as it is most often wrong.

Exactly, your word salad basically confirms what I said "you have created your own morallity and use your interpretation of an anciet book,"

Quote: Example let say a "very mature" 10 year old boy is 'raped/molested' first sexual experience with a 17 year old female baby sitter. by every measure of the law this is rape, but the boy was happy and the baby sitter was cool with it too. So should the girl get a 10 year prison sentence and be labeled a sex offender/predator for a child under the age of 12?

So advocating pedophilia then and no there are no "very mature 10 year olds " and if he enjoyed it it's only because he doesn't understand that he's just been violated sexually . The fact Derpch thinks this is any kind of moral dilemma is shameful .

(May 10, 2019 at 12:36 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 10, 2019 at 12:03 pm)Deesse23 Wrote: What a vile piece of shit you are. If thats what religion makes out of people i am glad not to be religious and hope never to be.

what a douche..

You: Unga bunga (caveman sounds) me no like what drich say, but me not know how to say it.. Me know Him religionous, so me make him look bad by showing me better than relionous..

Hey retard.. what religion do you think it is I am quoting? then what makes you think I am religious? or do you not understand the term as it is properly used and defined?

nothing I said has any religious implication to it.

It is simply a matter of perspective. meaning just because you think something is end of the world bad, someone else may see it for what it is. yes a bad thing but not end of the world/life as we know it. Meaning it is a thing we can manage ourselves. it is not a species ending event.

Then I pointed out if not for rape life as we know it literally would not exist. google it dummy. it is a fact of history, rape is at the core of our bio diversity. It is why homosapeians took over the world from neanderthals.

---

(May 10, 2019 at 12:09 pm)madog Wrote:  I answered you, you just chose to ignore the answer   

"Its not just about the immediate act, but how it effects the victims whole life "

  and I answer you, and you chose to answer you, but not in the way you where asking for a answer.. sound familiar?
Quid pro quoe sport quid pro quoe.

---

(May 10, 2019 at 12:20 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yep, I agree.

 @Drich     You don't know shit about the REAL causes of rape in humans, and none of it has to do with fictional sky heros.

Rape isn't because of some cosmic battle between a sky hero and a ground troll making bets over the neurons in a perp's brain. 

Rape is a psychological need for the perp to force control over another human being. Most humans DON'T rape because most of us have EMPATHY for others. Rape in a perp can be because they can be mentally or physically abused as children, and grow up to abuse themselves. Or they can simply be sociopaths whose brains never grew with empathy. Your old book of mythology is not a scientific field like psychiatry or psychology and doesn't explain a damned thing as to why humans do good or bad.

---

AND NO DRICH, humans are NOT indestructible. Humans are quite fragile, even the most rambo gung ho humans get old and die, and can even be killed by a deadly bacteria, or virus, or tornado or tsunami. And if a meteor hit us, like the one that killed the dinos 65 million years ago, our species would be one that would have little to no chance of surviving such an event.

maybe you want to take a run at what I actually said next time sport maybe then we can have a discussion.. other wise no you are wrong obama was the worst president we ever had, he was indeed a racist who intention sown mistrust and anger into our black commmunities to make a white republican president look all the more unapealing and hope to spur a reaction at the polls similar to his own turn out for clinton.. but infact it all back fired.

Do you get it?

I am not responding to anything you actually said.. I am responding to what I think you would have said despite your actual writen words... Just like none of the BS you said had ANYTHING to do with any point I made..

Maybe you should slow down and READ what I had to say before you go off half cockednext time!

1) Never once mention the cause of rape.
2) never once said it was a battle between good and evil, in fact that is theoppsite of what I have said.
3) Never mention a 'perp.'
4) Don't care why people rape, was never part of the discussion ever.
5) Never said humans are indestructible Never. 

And finally point 6 look at all the lying and mis representing my discussion you had to do to try and take the 'moral high road' with me.. If I where trying wrong then why the need to completely change the narrative? Why did you feel the need to lie about my position? did you nt read it or could you not come up with points to counter what I truly said?

I don't need you lecturing me on the "moral high ground" when the head character of your book kills off all the Egyptian firstborn, and commits genocide in a flood.

(May 10, 2019 at 4:42 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(May 10, 2019 at 12:36 pm)Drich Wrote: what a douche..

You: Unga bunga (caveman sounds) me no like what drich say, but me not know how to say it.. Me know Him religionous, so me make him look bad by showing me better than relionous..

Hey retard.. what religion do you think it is I am quoting? then what makes you think I am religious? or do you not understand the term as it is properly used and defined?

nothing I said has any religious implication to it.

It is simply a matter of perspective. meaning just because you think something is end of the world bad, someone else may see it for what it is. yes a bad thing but not end of the world/life as we know it. Meaning it is a thing we can manage ourselves. it is not a species ending event.

Then I pointed out if not for rape life as we know it literally would not exist. google it dummy. it is a fact of history, rape is at the core of our bio diversity. It is why homosapeians took over the world from neanderthals.

---

  and I answer you, and you chose to answer you, but not in the way you where asking for a answer.. sound familiar?
Quid pro quoe sport quid pro quoe.

---

maybe you want to take a run at what I actually said next time sport maybe then we can have a discussion.. other wise no you are wrong obama was the worst president we ever had, he was indeed a racist who intention sown mistrust and anger into our black commmunities to make a white republican president look all the more unapealing and hope to spur a reaction at the polls similar to his own turn out for clinton.. but infact it all back fired.

Do you get it?

I am not responding to anything you actually said.. I am responding to what I think you would have said despite your actual writen words... Just like none of the BS you said had ANYTHING to do with any point I made..

Maybe you should slow down and READ what I had to say before you go off half cockednext time!

1) Never once mention the cause of rape.
2) never once said it was a battle between good and evil, in fact that is theoppsite of what I have said.
3) Never mention a 'perp.'
4) Don't care why people rape, was never part of the discussion ever.
5) Never said humans are indestructible Never. 

And finally point 6 look at all the lying and mis representing my discussion you had to do to try and take the 'moral high road' with me.. If I where trying wrong then why the need to completely change the narrative? Why did you feel the need to lie about my position? did you nt read it or could you not come up with points to counter what I truly said?

I don't need you lecturing me on the "moral high ground" when the head character of your book kills off all the Egyptian firstborn, and commits genocide in a flood.

"But the bigger picture blah blah" or he will say "they had it coming " that will likely be his response .

---

Quote:Trivial demands that change fast than political correctness.

Right not molesting those who don't know better is political correctness 

(May 10, 2019 at 12:17 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 10, 2019 at 11:53 am)Brian37 Wrote: To be fair to the cosmic sky hero, he also didn't stop the Holocaust. WW2 cost 50 million lives worldwide, not just 6 million Jews.

hey smokey.. what do you think the world population would be if there was no war no dease? no unnatural but only 100 year old deaths?

Then tell me how many thousands of years ago this planet resources would be 100% depleted and we a virus like species made this planet look like the surface of mars as we cnsumed everything the planet could offer an yet 100 trillion of us die of starvation...

I bet God would just as soon have you thank him for war and disease so you hippy no vaccine useing douche bags don't have to decide which one of your kids you will eat first and which of the kids gets to have soup made from the bones of the last one you had to kill and eat and which ones won't get any and will be next.

Do you people even think before you speak? do any of you look beyond tomorrow?

Yes 50 to 100 million died this pat century in wars.. that said we are still 7 billion and expanding on a finite planet with finite resources.

If you where smart you's better pray for a war or a thanos or something before we reach a point where the planet can not recover. as there is a tipping point where we consume so much what is left will not be enough to replenish what we have taken and that part of the planet will simply be lost for ever. Example great barrier reef is past the point of recovery it is said much of it is already dead.

Um not the point. You claim that a sky hero is in control, not me.

Seems cruel to create disease and disaster and crime and war if you tell your fans you are their body guard.

I actually think the world should produce less children, not more. But I certainly would not use violence and disease and war and crime as a manor of family planning if I were all powerful.

But if you are going to claim abortion is murder, funny that, but stillborns miscarriages outnumber abortions worldwide, which would make your God the biggest abortion provider.

So your sky hero cant find  less violent way to get his message across? 

Humans are an invasive species, and we are at a critical mass. But that is not because humans are property, toys, props or poker chips of fictional characters. we are at our current population because we fuck and produce offspring.