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father Jonathan Wrote:While I have loved and thrived in so many aspects of my ministry, deep in my interior I have struggled for years with my vocation and with the commitments that the Catholic priesthood demands, especially not being able to marry and have a family.

And also about his past

Quote:Morris left the troubled Legion of Christ in 2009, three years after the Vatican suspended its founder, Father Macial Marciel, from his priestly duties, having found Maciel guilty of various forms of sexual abuse and misconduct as well as abuse of power. 
https://friendlyatheist.patheos.com/2019...-have-sex/

I first saw him and mostly know him from that YouTube video where he talked to Richard Dawkins but not on Fox News

Being a priest never stopped anyone before.

(May 21, 2019 at 11:54 am)no one Wrote: Being a priest never stopped anyone before.

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A movie where a man has his wife casually sent to an exorcist, who may or may not be fucking her. That could be a good comedy.

Thing is that Father Jonathan made a move with very atheistic mindset: he quit priesthood so he can have sex and family AND yet what is all that compared to what he is promised to get in the Heaven? So he is doing this with an attitude "I have one life I might as well do what I want and not sacrifice myself to some after-death reward."

(May 21, 2019 at 2:24 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote: Thing is that Father Jonathan made a move with very atheistic mindset: he quit priesthood so he can have sex and family AND yet what is all that compared to what he is promised to get in the Heaven? So he is doing this with an attitude "I have one life I might as well do what I want and not sacrifice myself to some after-death reward."

-Or father john finally read his bible and came across 1 tim 4 that says "let no man make a law concerning you ablity to marry, people who do so are not from God but from evil spirits.
1 Timothy 4 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
A Warning About False Teachers
4 The Spirit clearly says that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe. They will obey spirits that tell lies. And they will follow the teachings of demons. 2 Those teachings come through people who tell lies and trick others. These evil people cannot see what is right and what is wrong. It is like their conscience has been destroyed with a hot iron. 3 They say that it is wrong to marry. And they say that there are some foods that people must not eat. But God made these foods, and those who believe and who understand the truth can eat them with thanks. 4 Everything that God made is good. Nothing he made should be refused if it is accepted with thanks to him. 5 Everything he created is made holy by what he has said and by prayer.

(May 21, 2019 at 4:02 pm)Drich Wrote: -Or father john finally read his bible and came across 1 tim 4 that says "let no man make a law concerning you ablity to marry, people who do so are not from God but from evil spirits.

So then you admit that Catholic church is of "evil spirits". And if they are evil are they Christian? Also it seems Paul is from "from evil spirits" because here are some of his teachings from 1 Corinthians 7

It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry,

Indeed it seems that this is the source of Jonathan's celibacy

An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided.

(May 21, 2019 at 4:23 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:

(May 21, 2019 at 4:02 pm)Drich Wrote: -Or father john finally read his bible and came across 1 tim 4 that says "let no man make a law concerning you ablity to marry, people who do so are not from God but from evil spirits.

So then you admit that Catholic church is of "evil spirits". And if they are evil are they Christian? Also it seems Paul is from "from evil spirits" because here are some of his teachings from 1 Corinthians 7

It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.

Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry,

Indeed it seems that this is the source of Jonathan's celibacy

An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— and his interests are divided.

silly rabbit..

one verse does not cancel out the other. Paul wrote both to the people in corinth and to timothy. so the idea here is to strike a reading where both are true.

Paul says to timothy: last times some will turn away from what we believe. They will obey spirits that tell lies. And they will follow the teachings of demons. 2 Those teachings come through people who tell lies and trick others. These evil people cannot see what is right and what is wrong. It is like their conscience has been destroyed with a hot iron. 3 They say that it is wrong to marry. 

this is Paul telling timothy there is no law concerning God not to marry.. 

got that? Paul says no law of God prohibits anyone from marriage for any reason.

Now let take a HONEST look at 1 corth 7

here too Paul establishes the law on marriage, meaning what God has to say:
1 Corinthians 7 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

About Marriage
7 Now I will discuss the things you wrote me about. You asked if it is better for a man not to have any sexual relations at all. 2 But sexual sin is a danger, so each man should enjoy his own wife, and each woman should enjoy her own husband.

now verse 25 he gives what HE thinks not from the lord but from paul:
25 Now I write about people who are not married.[a] I have no command from the Lord about this, but I give my opinion. And I can be trusted, because the Lord has given me mercy. 26 This is a time of trouble. So I think it is good for you to stay the way you are. 27 If you have a wife, don’t try to get free from her. If you are not married, don’t try to find a wife. 28 But if you decide to marry, that is not a sin. And it is not a sin for a girl who has never married to get married. But those who marry will have trouble in this life, and I want you to be free from this trouble.....
then your verses:
.....32 I want you to be free from worry. A man who is not married is busy with the Lord’s work. He is trying to please the Lord. 33 But a man who is married is busy with things of the world. He is trying to please his wife.34 He must think about two things—pleasing his wife and pleasing the Lord. A woman who is not married or a girl who has never married is busy with the Lord’s work. She wants to give herself fully—body and spirit—to the Lord. But a married woman is busy with things of the world. She is trying to please her husband. 35 I am saying this to help you. I am not trying to limit you, but I want you to live in the right way. And I want you to give yourselves fully to the Lord without giving your time to other things.

The passages you quoted are not from God but from paul. paul is very clear what God's orders are. he says them three different times in three different places. then he opens verse 25 forward to the end of the chapter, with his suggestions

(May 21, 2019 at 4:39 pm)Drich Wrote: The passages you quoted are not from God but from paul. paul is very clear what God's orders are. he says them three different times in three different places. then he opens verse 25 forward to the end of the chapter, with his suggestions

So only Paul is evil but not God.

And choirboys around the world were a little relieved.