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[Serious] Comfort in Faith at Death
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 (July 4, 2019 at 2:12 am)Fierce Wrote:(July 3, 2019 at 7:15 pm)Shell B Wrote: Fear of death isn't irrational. The thing is, what YOU think at that point doesn't matter. Actually what the person in question thinks doesn't matter, either, other than it gives comfort.
If The Flintstones have taught us anything, it's that pelicans can be used to mix cement.
-Homer Simpson  (July 4, 2019 at 7:58 am)Mermaid Wrote: The thing is, what YOU think at that point doesn't matter. Actually what the person in question thinks doesn't matter, either, other than it gives comfort. I figured you would take that emotional route. Alcoholics and drug addicts find their comfort how they can; it's no different with religious people. Certainly, the ramifications of alcohol and drugs are harsher on the individual than religion, but in the end the comparison stands on its own merit for the very reason that it is a false comfort being employed for the detriment of that person's intellect, associated with an honesty forsaken for a delusional lie, and purposefully adding to a network of theistic notions that cannot separate itself from secular life.  (June 23, 2019 at 8:54 pm)Shell B Wrote: How do you feel about finding comfort in faith while dying? Please don't use my mother's situation as an example. I'm bound to take debate about it personally.I think it's nonsense. I think those that would find something to keep them comfortable during death probably would have done so anyway even without religion. Some may take solace in knowing they've left behind an inheritance for their kids/knowing the funeral arrangements are taken care of already/etc. That some delusion about life after the death of your brain, i.e. the very thing that allows you to be conscious, isn't some gold star for religion. It's just another one of their ridiculous delusions that may, sometimes, have positive side-effects for some people. Big whoop.
If you're frightened of dying, and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the Earth.
 (June 23, 2019 at 8:54 pm)Shell B Wrote: So, one of the only reasons why I'm not anti-theist is that I see a good reason why people are religious-comfort. I know that death is frightening, but my mother has been dying for six months and hasn't shed a tear. She knows she'll be with her dead family and god, the god she believes in, who is loving and kind. She is starting to see her aunt, who passed away a long time ago. That comforts her. I'll tell you what, I'm quite happy for her faith now that she's at the point of death. It has given her a coping mechanism that is deeply ingrained in her psyche. For her, Heaven awaits her. It's a beautiful thing. There isn't a single ounce of harm in it. I found myself in a similar situation a few years ago. My neighbors were dying of cancer. They were just overjoyed that they were going to see their lord. They were still smoking the cigarettes that had given them cancer, and he was still drinking the liquor that had given him cirrhosis of the liver. I wasn’t impressed by the strength of their faith to the point where I’d consider it for myself. At the same time, I thought it would be beyond crass to remind them that their god hadn’t helped them overcome their addictions. I wouldn’t take away someone’s crutch unless I’m sure they can stand on their own.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers. Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. --Voltaire Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind. (July 4, 2019 at 8:25 am)Fierce Wrote:(July 4, 2019 at 7:58 am)Mermaid Wrote: The thing is, what YOU think at that point doesn't matter. Actually what the person in question thinks doesn't matter, either, other than it gives comfort. Do I know you? I don't disagree with what you are saying. My issue is with trying to correct a religious person who finds solace in it, especially when they are dying. No more than that.
If The Flintstones have taught us anything, it's that pelicans can be used to mix cement.
-Homer Simpson RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
July 4, 2019 at 8:01 pm
(This post was last modified: July 4, 2019 at 8:15 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
There wouldn’t be any point to that.
Theism is only a problem for the living, not the dead and dying. Theists are vultures who pray on that fear...antitheists aren’t skulking around the halls of local hospitals fishing for converts. That’s the reality of this situation, but completely down to the effects of centuries of social engineering a bunch of atheists on an atheist board find themselves arguing over the merits of what no one but theists are doing, in the context of how shitty it would be if they did or were. The case for antitheism routinely makes itself, lol. It’s not about taking anyone’s comfort away, in life -or- in death. It’s about getting people to put down their god cudgels. Hell , it’s not even a position on whether or not gods exist. More to the point that it wouldn’t matter if they did.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 
Is that pray or prey?
RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
July 5, 2019 at 12:30 am
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(July 4, 2019 at 6:33 pm)Mermaid Wrote: My point being that if meaning can be found in life without god, one's intellectual faculties should not be unnecessarily clouded by the false comfort provided by an unreasonable religious concept. Focusing on the reality of one's life and the meaning s/he brought to others by being alive becomes unduly eclipsed when one illogically delves into fairy tale land. By preferring false comfort, one is metaphorically shitting all over the reality of one's own life. If meaning can be found in life without god, so can death. RE: Comfort in Faith at Death
July 5, 2019 at 8:53 am
(This post was last modified: July 5, 2019 at 8:59 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 4, 2019 at 10:10 pm)Shell B Wrote:Sure, but since that’s a function of the grand winners in theists forever war, the theists themselves don’t have much say in the matter. They either believe in their silly religions, or they don’t....and if they don’t, is their religion the thing comforting them, in reality?(July 4, 2019 at 8:01 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: Theists are vultures who pray on that fear Yet another argument for antitheism.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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